But he’s answered every question ever over the last 4 years - you’ve got to remember that.
Maybe deleted or lost what with all @saintbletch’s bugs and that? Shame I did not get a chance to read them before they were lost…
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Or maybe I deleted them?
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Nawty 
See the thing that frustrates me most is that as much as I ‘sicken pap’ which does seem a little harsh if i am completely honest, I believe he is coming from a place of good intent… that is not meant to be patronising (I cant do patronising as well as pap) but his opinions are based on principles long established and deeply rooted… But the fact he cant or wont simply admit that for most the brexit debate has always been about compromise and what we are willing to place most importance on… which side of the fence we fall on depends on which compromises we are prepared to make and which we are not… Pap has never acknowledged what is shit about brexit, and I suspect its because its the same as we have pointed out, the rise of of the Right and all the shit that is coming with that…
I can say with confidence that I’ve answered every single one of Map’s questions in some way. Same shite for four years now.
Most of his giant fears are long in the past.
There is zero recognition of any other view bar his own, or those that coincidentally support him, such as this dubious figure of 3/4s of Labour voters.
Even if that were true, and I think the general election proves it isn’t, you still need more than Labour voters to win an election.
The betrayal of democracy that BennJr orchestrated could not have been a more effective campaigning mechanism.
For the Conservatives.
Still, you all knew best. I’m sure the likes on Sotonians from the similarly brainwashed are of great comfort to the poor.
best gag yet pap!
So please answer my question as to why you thought
‘‘Are there many council estates near your double-shedded pad? 
’’
was an important question and then failed to acknowledge my genuine response?
ER, really, we are in transition you said so plenty of time for all the shit to happen - but Lurch to right has come to true so think thats Circle Jerkers 1-0 ToryPap FC
this was based on the 12 mil folks who voted labour in last election 3/4 had voted remain - aged I cant remember the source about it was a the heart of Labours problems , the majority of there voters are retainers and this presents a challenge for the party they could not deal with.
You really should just stop …digging…
Why do I think you don’t have any interactions with poor people?
Well, more than anything else, you don’t seem to understand anything about their lives. The only time you seem remotely concerned is when they’re an argument in your pro-EU drivel.
So you assume that because I am not active on hundred of threads I have no knowledge, experience , interaction or concern, for anyone else especially those going through more difficult times or in perpetual poverty cycles?
You know, that should make angry that you’re so judgemental and make such quick assumptions, but it just makes me sad that you seem to be obsessed with such prejudices that prevent you from seeing value in any opinion but your own rather narrow one…
Right I have work to do , not easy maintaining a household with a sick wife, socially awkward teenager and then still finding time to argue with miserable cunts on the internet…
Nope.
I’m assuming that because you’d rather have an expensive European market which means people don’t get to eat rather than tariff-free food from the rest of the world that they can actually afford.
I have to say, I’m keeping away from Brexit, and I actually think Covid19 may play into Brexit’s hands on a number of levels.
Firstly, the widening gap between countries and China may well see a number of countries boycotting, or at least adding further tariffs to Chinese imports if appropriate compensation is not given, which will allow (potentially) for an increase in manufacturing and “Buying British”. Of course, it may just lead to a price hike to the consumer instead, but we’ll see.
Secondly, there will be no discernable gap and ability to determine what recession is caused by what - essentially we will see a long recession without the ability to see whether it was from Covid19 or Brexit. It’s lucky for the Brexiteers, but so-be-it.
Thirdly, countries in general are going to become more insular - we are seeing this all over the world as more and more far right Governments are rising to power, with, frankly, nutcases running countries, poisoning people with propaganda through the right controlled press.
Fourthly, the recessions that come about due to Covid19 could lead to a break-up of the EU anyway - the Germans will not bailing people out this time as they’ll have the double of triple whammy of Covid19, the European Southern States struggling and a difficult negotiation with the UK (which will not get done by the end of December).
It doesn’t mean the EU is or was a bad idea, just that something like this cannot cope with too many economic shocks at once.
I have also stayed out of these discussions, mainly because we are being led by an unscrupulous, reprehensibly dishonest and criminally negligent Government, and to try to guess their next moves is frankly a futile task.
It will be what it will be. We WILL have less opportunities. It WILL hurt the economy (although how much is anyone’s guess). It WILL split the nation for a long time. Some people WILL be ashamed to be British.
Shit happens. Life goes on. Look after yourself and your own, because the State and the British General Public won’t help you out.
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Good post. Hope it doesn’t get deleted
There is a lot of sense in what you’ve written, Cherts. I think the paradigm has changed and that even some of your most die-hard market fans are starting to realise that some parts of the Emperor are not attired, if not all of them.
Like Brexit, the COVID crisis has exposed some very deep constitutional cracks, some very shocking blows to the shape of common sense and a very real sense of people finally knowing their place.
Most people now know they’re virus-fodder, sent into No Man’s Land without a plan, with an enemy they can’t see, because their country, or more specifically their country’s establishment, wants or needs them to.
Good post.
However, in last 36 hours Macron & Merkel have finally woken up.
Their loan plan for States hit hard by Covid-19 is dead & is now a €500bn grant backed by Eurobinds. Namely all the EU have to pay back together from central funds.
Macron wanted €1trillion. Merkel can get away with only half that.
Austria is complaining but then who cares.
Fact is Hungary & Poland are getting close to being technically kicked out, Italians were asking what istgepoint so they had to act.
It marks a possible turning point in the project and possible change.
Question.
Chlorinated or Antibiotic resistance?
And, at £3.99 a kg is that the most likely import? Surely bulk grain floods are more likely
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“Brexit thread - completed it mate.”
As should be known, I used to be pro-European but switched after Greece. The charge I made at the time was that when push comes to shove, the EU doesn’t give a shit about the citizens, only the project.
It created a conflicting moment for me. I’d never felt as much a European, giving a shit about a country on the fringes of the union. At the same time, this was the first ever time I found myself against the EU after being a keen supporter.
I will give the EU some dues. I’m a programmer. I work in Liverpool. This city would not have had a digital sector without EU money.
That was all fine. No push had come to shove.
Greece was the first big test. The EU has had many more, including Brexit, Catalonia and COVID.
Has it gotten any better at being effective when push comes to shove?
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I would have voted leave.
Yes the benefits made that seem insane.
But Ilike you I had seen that it was for the project not the people and that Social Democracy was utterly not a British thing. As the project grew it was a worse fit.
Government used to be a calling.
Now it’s a profit opportunity
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Where’s the irony button gone?
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I hate to come back to this, but they take the piss because they know they can… they know that they can lie to the people and the just enough will accept it to keep them in their seats… it was proven through Cummings manipulation of the media’s and facts first over Brexit, then the subsequent elections.
For some reason, a large swathe of the British people seem not to think for themselves or don’t give a shit. They simply don’t question the obvious lies spouted by these arseholes, either through ignorance or simply because they don’t want to as it means they can do as they please… just witness the ridiculous numbers congregating on beaches and parks over the weekend not giving a fuck…
Our country has many things in common with the US… leadership that is morally corrupt and dangerously ignorant and self serving, and a population with just enough too fucking stupid to notice… I know I am not meant to criticise the ‘smart’ electorate for fear of being labelled an intellectual snob or some such like, but can someone please offer me an alternative of why a majority seem happy to keep These cunts in power? (And please let’s not suggest because the opposition handed it to them… that is a falsehood)
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If brexit had happened when it ought to have, we very likely wouldn’t have a conservative government now. The tories were the only credible party running in the last election on a clear and simple platform of enacting brexit. That’s the reason they won, not because the public think boris and his crew are fantastic statesmen. It should never have come to this, and remainers are to blame for it.
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Sorry, easy cop out… in last election more folks voted for parties open to a second vote, so how can you say that option was wrong? The first past the post fucked it, and folks up North believing BS that Brexit would cure all their woes…