How do you actually ever successfully test a nuclear deterrent?
Surely you have to let it land and vaporise part of the planet?
Originally posted by @CB-Saint
Originally posted by @Saint-or-sinner
Originally posted by @CB-Saint
Originally posted by @Saint-or-sinner
Originally posted by @CB-Saint
Isnt the whole point of a test to iron out problems so that when you want to fire the thing it works.
Also declaring to the world that at a specific point in time our main defence weopan has a problem strikes me as a fucking stupid thing to do.
Not a good argument about tests. Itâs been in service since 1999. Should have been fit for purpose from the start.
As for announcing it. Even our allies must be shitting themselves now. We can kill people anywhere. One day we may even be able to decide where(hopefully).
What a fuck up the whole thing is.
Come on, you are saying that just because it went into service 20 odd years ago - nothing should ever go wrong. Really??
My boiler went into service 20 years ago and the fucking thing decided to go on the blink just before xmas - according to your logic, it should have been fine because it was working in 2001.
Slightly more important for Trident to work properly(understand you felt different on the day). Something that has been in service for so long and can kill millions should be able to go in the required direction.
Image if we fire one in anger and then watch as it heads straight for london(is there a kill switch and more importantly, does it work). How many billions for something that canât even compete with a compass.
**Itâs a test - thats why we have them, so that we can make sure they work when we need them. **
Over 150 tests according to the makers and still canât get the direction right. Thatâs a bit worrying.
I am pretty sure if their had been 150 unsuccessful tests, we may have heard about it. We are not talking about scud missiles here. One missile had a problem with is code - it wonât take a rocket scientist to fix that !!
Weâve been sold a dud(that is also obsolete).
A couple of points
Point 1: Any problems should be ironed out before they are put into service, it can kill millions and we have no idea if it will be friend or foe. What if we had needed it in the last 17 years.
Point 2: Yes, i may have worded that to suit my argument. Then again if itâs easy to fix, why is it taking so long. I smell our money burning.
Maybe they should get Pap in to sort it out. He may be second rate, but he probably knows the difference Between East and West. 
I think we will just have to agree to disagree on this one CB
East/West is fine. Itâs back/front he has trouble with.
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A mate of mine on Facebook just reminded me that the two child cap on tax credits came in last April. In keeping with their salami slicing approach, itâs a nasty little piece of social engineering.
How many JAMs with two kids have not bothered trying for a third, despite wanting to? How many terminations?
The cynic might call it social cleansing at source.
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I want kids one day, but I donât expect someone else to pay for them.
What is the big injustice here? All families in the UK earn the equivalent of a ÂŁ38k salary when you add working tax credits, child tax credits, and housing benefit together.
Someone with 2 kids who earns more-or-less the minimum wage (about ÂŁ13k p/y) gets: ÂŁ8,091 tax credits (WTC + CTC), ÂŁ7,515 housing benefit, ÂŁ1,770 child benefit, and ÂŁ113 council tax support. That works out as a total net income of ÂŁ29,286, which is equivalent to a gross salary of ÂŁ38,700.
(check out https://www.gov.uk/benefits-calculators and https://listentotaxman.com/)
Itâs a principle, MrTrampoline. Itâs the idea that children are worth something, whether theyâre your own or not.
Hereâs a number for you. ÂŁ50,000. The cost of a cheap bomb dropped in Syria.
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YeahâŚ
Eh-hem.
Fuck that.
The UK is full of good, honest, hard-working young people of my generation getting absolutely rinsed, paying sky-high taxes and rents, fighting like rats in sacks for jobs (that weâre elated and relieved to get (and on salaries some posters on here consider less than âmeaslyâ)). All of this delays the chance for us to buy a house, get married and have kids of our own. All whilst supposedly doing things the âright wayâ.
All the while we have to subsidise other people having kids of their own and at a younger age too.
Iâm willing to chip in with my taxes to help people out who really need it (Iâd like far more to be spent on the homeless incidentally) but the idea that imposing a two-kid limit on an already generous benefits system is some kind of âsocial cleansingâ is ridiculous.
Sorry Pap. Donât feel guilty about that, and nor do the vast majority of people.
If youâre only allowed 2 is it ok to kill the gingers?
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Originally posted by @MrTrampoline
Originally posted by @pap
Itâs a principle, MrTrampoline. Itâs the idea that children are worth something, whether theyâre your own or not.
Hereâs a number for you. ÂŁ50,000. The cost of a cheap bomb dropped in Syria.
YeahâŚ
Eh-hem.
Fuck that.
The UK is full of good, honest, hard-working young people of my generation getting absolutely rinsed, paying sky-high taxes and rents, fighting like rats in sacks for jobs (that weâre elated and relieved to get (and on salaries some posters on here consider less than âmeaslyâ)). All of this delays the chance for us to buy a house, get married and have kids of our own. All whilst supposedly doing things the âright wayâ.
All the while we have to subsidise other people having kids of their own and at a younger age too.
Iâm willing to chip in with my taxes to help people out who really need it ( Iâd like far more to be spent on the homeless incidentally ) but the idea that imposing a two-kid limit on an already generous benefits system is some kind of âsocial cleansingâ is ridiculous.
What about if the homeless then had 3 children? Youâd be supporting them to do something that youâre against. Also, if you support the homeless then thereâll be even less housing to go around. Youâre doing this all wrong.
Itâs what the Chinese did when they had their one child policy. Ever seen a ginger Chinese? Exactly.
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Mr T, it seems that itâs always all about the injustices done / being done to your generation and wanting all the material things in life immediately.
So what is wrong with having kids younger than you? You donât subsidise them.
Generous benefit system? What planet do you live on?
The UK is also full of honest hard working people older and younger than you who donât continually whine about perceived injustices. They get on and make a life for themselves without repetitive bleating.
Just saying.
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Originally posted by @MrTrampoline
Originally posted by @pap
Itâs a principle, MrTrampoline. Itâs the idea that children are worth something, whether theyâre your own or not.
Hereâs a number for you. ÂŁ50,000. The cost of a cheap bomb dropped in Syria.
YeahâŚ
Eh-hem.
Fuck that.
The UK is full of good, honest, hard-working young people of my generation getting absolutely rinsed , paying sky-high taxes and rents , fighting like rats in sacks for jobs (that weâre elated and relieved to get (and on salaries some posters on here consider less than âmeaslyâ)). All of this delays the chance for us to buy a house, get married and have kids of our own. All whilst supposedly doing things the âright wayâ.
All the while we have to subsidise other people having kids of their own and at a younger age too.
Iâm willing to chip in with my taxes to help people out who really need it (Iâd like far more to be spent on the homeless incidentally) but the idea that imposing a two-kid limit on an already generous benefits system is some kind of âsocial cleansingâ is ridiculous.
Sorry Pap. Donât feel guilty about that, and nor do the vast majority of people.
You canât moan if this is what you vote for.
Donât worry too much though. They always offer a bribe when they want to do something really bad. I have a feeling it wonât be long.
Your generation, according to you, is a very small percentage of the population. Donât be so fucking selfish. 
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Why does it always come back to you and your fucking 2 year generation?
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Selfish? Iâm the motherfucker trying to get myself into a position where I can chip in to help others out through taxation and asking for no more than what people on here have described as a âmeaslyâ salary in return rather than people who want to have a 3rd kid at other peopleâs expense who themselves have to continuously put off and put off having kids themselves.
Hahaha election day 2020 is going to be fucking classic.
Whatâs your opinion on the subject at hand?
- Material things in life?
Iâm the one looking to get myself into a position to have a house, family, kids etc. - the exact things, that you think people on benefits should be able to help themselves to. Why am I materialistic and they not?
- Check the link I sent you. Play around with the benefits calculator. A family of four is entitled to the equivalent of a ÂŁ38k salary with one parent working.
Iâm not even against benefits per se. Hell, Iâm not entirely sure Iâm even against actually having said generous welfare system. FWIW I think how well one does in life is massively down to luck and genetics and its perfectly reasonable to expect those who drew pocket Aces (and even King-Jack suited or pocket 9s or so) to help out those who drew 72 or 83 offsuit.
But a third kid. A freakinâ third kid.
OK, two things.
Selfish? Calm down and read it again. A joke. You may be to young to remember how that works so i wonât bother with the rest of that paragraph.
Are you going to vote for more of the same(it will actually get worse)? Think about it Mr T, 40 years of prosperity. So weâre the fuck is all the money. Stop falling for an obvious lie. Simple arithmetic says itâs a lie(at least for 99% of us).
I do feel for you, but only because no one deserves whatâs coming.
Third kids are generally the most handsomest, clevererest and charismatic, but donât take my word for it, ask my 2 stupid, ugly older brothers 
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Iâm also the third (of three) and Iâm a cunt.
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Thatâs what my bros say about me but theyâre obviously jesting.
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