đŸ‡ș🇩 The War/Invasion in/of Ukraine

Yes, absolutely, he shows how Ukraine massively increased indiscriminate bombings in the Donbass in the days leading up to the invasion in order to deliberately provoke Russia:

In fact, as early as February 16, Joe Biden knew that the Ukrainians had begun shelling the civilian population of Donbass, putting Vladimir Putin in front of a difficult choice: to help Donbass militarily and create an international problem, or to stand by and watch the Russian-speaking people of Donbass being crushed.

If he decided to intervene, Putin could invoke the international obligation of “Responsibility To Protect” (R2P). But he knew that whatever its nature or scale, the intervention would trigger a storm of sanctions. Therefore, whether Russian intervention were limited to the Donbass or went further to put pressure on the West for the status of the Ukraine, the price to pay would be the same. This is what he explained in his speech on February 21.

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Good old selective statistics

I have had a read of the daily reports that the OSCE produce and there a couple of important points to consider

The ceasefire violations reported in that table do not ascribe the violation to any particular side - therefore the perpetrators could equally be the Russian backed separatists as it could be Ukranian forces.

The second issue with the conclusion being drawn from that table is we are not witnessing an escalation - more a resumption of business as usual which you can see if you look at earlier dates.

In fact the OSCE report that there was a 80% decrease in violations around that time

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What earlier dates were you looking at and what data?

I just checked the daily reports going back to 1st September 2021 there were no dates where the number of explosions get anywhere near what was witnessed on 18th Feb onwards. For the vast majority of days there were less than 100 explosions. There was one day I think where it got close to the numbers on 16th Feb i.e around 250.

That’s a reasonable point, but it doesn’t mean that the information is not known.

January this year

Well this is a list of the daily reports from January

https://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/reports/?filters=+ds_date:([2022-01-01T00:00:00Z%20TO%202022-02-01T00:00:00Z])&solrsort=score%20desc&rows=10

Can you point me to a day where the number of explosions is anywhere close to 1000?

I was reading off the ceasefire violations not the explosions

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Can we invade Russia to save them from the fascists?

Whataboutery, no bombing in Donbas would have happened if the Russians didn’t copy the nazis warfare codebook like the Sudetenland. Get out of Ukraine, time to go home.

Ah yes, Barry. If you look at history there were PLENTY of Nazis in Russia from 1941-1943. They were just actual Nazis :wink:

Still, it amuses me to know that you spend your evenings pulling up fifteen years olds are a great example of how Russia, the #1 destroyer of Nazis, is Nazi :smiley:

In the meantime, time’s running out for the Neo-Nazis down by the Sea of Azov.

some noise about chemical weapons being deployed, possibly phosphorous

If true, a pretty significant escalation - that lead to some hard decision making about appropriateness of response

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Here’s a good thread on that:

Do you reckon it’s true, or do you think it’s just more bollocks out of Zelensky’s mouth aimed at pulling others into the quagmire he’s been paid $1.6 billion for?

Interesting thread that.

Nothing about the conflict surprises me these days.

Interesting to note that the number of posts on here seems to have slowed significantly over recent days. Fatigue about the subject maybe?

It is interesting.

Once again, just the one source. Not confirmed by the Pentagon, who are for once, treating this with more circumspection than the media.

Doesn’t stop the media from blowing that one source up so much it’s now a headline all over the world.

Exactly

Nazis fighting nazis Pap. the Nazis on one side are defending a nation wanting a better future for their nation, ironic and strange and also true.

Which Nazis did you support then?

Same with Russia and Putin lovers describing Ukraine as fascist.

Wouldn’t know, love.

Our system of government and media is so robust we had to ban competing opinions.

Neither, those nazis defending nazi invasion are my proxy, same for the rest of civilised Ukraine Pap.