While deeply shocking, that doesnât constitute genocide.
Harris was not a maniac, which implies an unfocused and random approach to actions. Were his actions actions genocidal? Yes, in my view.
Putinâs bombing campaign is worse in my view because precision guided munitions now exist. It is much more possible to truly target military installations and avoid known civilian areas.
I take it you believe the Raytheon PR comms just as readily as you do Pfizer!
Yeah, Harris used to talk about âprecision bombingâ too. The US and UK forces bombing Syria, just eight years ago, could have been co-ordinating with precision bombs as well, but they were too expensive so we used the âcheapâ (ÂŁ50K a go) ones instead.
I think youâll find that particular line of argument only works if youâre a country that hasnât spent the past two decades carpet bombing the fuck out of stuff.
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So you believe that Harris was carrying out an agenda specifically aimed at the complete elimination of a particular racial, ethnic or national group?
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Complete elimination of the German nation - pretty close to
I take it you believe the Raytheon PR comms just as readily as you do Pfizer!
More convincing than RT
I thought RT was a welcome voice.
Hereâs how it worked from the Western media perspective. What you did, right, was ensure that proper journalists canât get platformed on mainstream TV channels. These would include the likes of John Pilger, Tariq Ali and Chris Hedges.
Then, despite them producing hours of content which have fuck all to do with Russia and everything to do with what they were interested in previously, you label them as Russian agents etc.
RT, like BBC, was obviously propaganda. They werenât very good at it, bless them, but I do think itâs a shame when investigative journalists such as the above are denied a voice.
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Come off it. You canât seriously believe that.
Germany under Hitler was carrying out a military program aimed at eliminating the Jews and Gypsies from existence. That is genocide.
A bombing campaign against a country which has the stated aim of invading your own country is not genocide. There was never that aim among any of the Allied countries, if there had been then the killing of Germans would have continued after the surrender.
The politicians in the UK were conflicted by the deaths caused by the allied bombers
Iâve read estimates of 300k to 600k civilian deaths. Regardless of how itâs dressed up thatâs a lot of non-combatants.
I donât think bomber crews were awarded a campaign medal like other branches of the armed forces and were conspicuously not referenced in Churchillâs victory speech. A bit like that odd family member who nobody ever speaks about.
That doesnât turn it into attempted genocide, which was the point of discussion.
What do you call it then? Collateral damage?
Applying modern terminology to a bygone age.
Never easy.
Bomber Command helped win the war by taking out German manufacturing.
Then the debate is did their tactics shorten the war and save lives?
Decisions above our pay grade luckily
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Whatever it was it wasnât genocide, which is a very specific crime.
Bombing.
It has never been pretty.
Zelensky going off on one again, along the same lines as his âgenocideâ comments.
Heâs just saying what his handlers tell him to. No evidence of this.
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What handlers? What evidence? Youâre on the wrong side of history Pap, like the Vichy, or the Bulgarians in World War II.
History is written by the victors as I think has been mentioned on here a while back.
Youâre right bombing is never pretty. Indiscriminate bombing less so.
Should the Nagasaki or Hiroshima atomic bombs, for example, be considered war crimes? See my first comment above.
This is the most detailed description I have read of the timeline of events leading up to the invasion. Itâs long but well worth the read in my opinion. He keeps apparently randomly going on about Switzerland, so it useful to know that the author is Swiss :
https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine/?s=09
Author CV (ex-NATO as you will see):
Jacques Baud is a former colonel of the General Staff, ex-member of the Swiss strategic intelligence, specialist on Eastern countries. He was trained in the American and British intelligence services. He has served as Policy Chief for United Nations Peace Operations. As a UN expert on rule of law and security institutions, he designed and led the first multidimensional UN intelligence unit in the Sudan. He has worked for the African Union and was for 5 years responsible for the fight, at NATO, against the proliferation of small arms. He was involved in discussions with the highest Russian military and intelligence officials just after the fall of the USSR. Within NATO, he followed the 2014 Ukrainian crisis and later participated in programs to assist the Ukraine. He is the author of several books on intelligence, war and terrorism, in particular Le DĂ©tournement published by SIGEST, Gouverner par les fake news , Lâaffaire Navalny . His latest book is Poutine, maĂźtre du jeu? published by Max Milo.
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What about after the invasion, does he comment on the indiscriminate bombing of civilians?