šŸ‡ŗšŸ‡¦ The War/Invasion in/of Ukraine

The Ā£400 Million was held for ā€œsecurity reasonsā€, saved for a rainy day. the Iranians can’t wait to spend the money, what on I wonder, their people?

Funnily enough :wink:

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Not sure if this is the right place to post this, but after reading the Evening Standard full of patriotic tub thumping by Evgeny Lebedevā€˜s minions I noticed this - good old Britannia harking back to past glories

Seems very embarrassing tbh

Interesting.
The Russian TV Editor who held up a no war sign on State TV
Got a Ā£215 fine for her…
Blog post.

The EEU PMs went to Kiev.
If they get back I sense some movement towards a deal

8 years ago:

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Corbyn is actually saying its up for the Ukrainian people to decide, I agree, it is.

So presumably you have no problem with the people of Donbass and Crimea deciding for themselves?

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I’ve read somewhere that the Russians have suffered more losses that the US did after 8 years in Iraq and 20 years in Afghanistan, and they are fast approaching their own record for their disastrous Afghan campaign

Of course not why would I? Free and fair elections would be welcome, I’m a democrat Pap not an advocate of authoritarian regimes.

I’ve heard they’re losing a lot, and keeping figures incredibly low for the public back in Russia, the truth will come out, it’s obvious now that Russia will never be able to occupy, hold and keep a puppet in power so Ukraine will be free to elect who they want.
A concession to Russia so they don’t invade again is for NATO and the west not to invite Ukraine to join NATO if they ask and a neutral zone of military is set up, a total cop out if you ask me but if it means Ukraine is free and can join the EU if it wishes at some point then maybe it’s something.
Russia has lost this in so many ways, you’ve now Russian speakers who were pro Russian before this teaching their kids to speak totally in Ukrainian and rejecting anything Russian, to say Putin has fucked up is a mild understatement, and what about those sanctions? Many of them won’t disappear.

It’s frankly mental how badly this has gone.

I’ve read reports that they’re using the Syria doctrine.

This is less the shoot anything that moves policy, which might be understandable given the proximity of the two nations.

As I’ve said before, I’m not taking anything at face value - but reading between the lines, if you have the Ukrainian president arming civilians, inviting foreigners to fight and begging Nato to put up a no-fly-zone, it’s not going that well.

Why wouldn’t a leader of a nation being invaded by a vastly larger number ask for help from sympathetic nations?
You think they should fight it alone?
And the asking for foreign fighters is rich considering Putin has got Chechens and Syrians there fighting for him.
The Russians are getting beaten badly and are having to resort to Syrian tactics of bombing indiscriminately (which is against the Geneva convention but hey when have the Russians ever played fair?) in civilian areas.
I don’t know where you get your media Pap but every source I can see available says the same of large Russian casualties and a very very slow advance, a military disaster.

If it was going well.

I don’t think it is going well for either side

The Russians have got bogged down militarily and miscalculated the western response

The Ukrainians have been bombed to shit and are facing a generation of rebuilding and the hardships that brings. Not to mention that 3m have fled and a good chunk of those will not return. That will take a long time for the country to recover from that exodus

I discovered a problem yesterday.
The first wave of ā€œrefugeesā€ were the Audi, BMW & VW Tourag drivers.
And not one of them knows the local Polish Traffic rules…

Carnage out there, almost as bad as Brit drivers of the same machines
FFS

Also, causing a related problem. They have taken over all the high end hotel rooms and as such, normal tourists are seeing $200 or more per night for places that were 30 or 40 quid a month ago.

So no income again… FFS

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The fact remains that it could be going badly for both sides and Russia could still be making progress such are the numbers.

I don’t trust anything in the media on either side regarding deaths. The BBC is churning out masses of what is very clearly pure propaganda.

But on the balance of probability we’re talking about terrains and cities of a kind that Russians will be very familiar. We’re talking about flat open plains not mountain tunnel fortresses. We have a Russian army of superior numbers many of whom will be familiar with fighting sieges of cities from their recent time fighting in Syria. I find it very hard to believe that things are going as badly for the Russian and as well for the Ukrainians as the media is making out.

Zelensky is also clearly softening his negotiating position.

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The better off are usually the first out of Dodge

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The Russians have lost more soldiers than they care to admit and the Ukrainians have inflated the number they reckon they have killed. As has always been the case in every war ever fought.

I reckon if you split the difference you might not be too far off

As for being used to the terrain, one thing to consider was a lot of the Russian units were from the East - several thousand miles away. Also I think I am right in saying part of the problem with the plains is that the mud has made some areas impassable hence the 40km convoys down the main arterial roads