đŸ‡ș🇩 The War/Invasion in/of Ukraine

They are by resistance, they can raze it to the ground (I’d be amazed as Kyiv is older than Russia and Putin does respect history to a point), Ukraine will win, I’ve no doubt about that in the long term.

First of all, why does he believe this is a possibility?

They have form for this. That’s what they did to Grozny

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Apropos of absofuckingloutely nothing but watch Joker and 45:29 in there is a reference on a newspaper in shot headed “Exclusive- Photos of Disaster In Ukraine”

Absolutely no-one wins in this war.

Damn fine film that.

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Looking quite likely that Russia is going to advance on Odessa which would give them (along with Crimea) the whole coast and access to all the untapped black sea oil and gas that goes with it. If captured, those regions arent going back to Ukraine.

Question then is what happens with Transnistria and Moldova.

Also looks like Russia want to take control of the Dnieper to guarantee water supplies to Crimea.

what’s left of Ukraine is going to be a husk.

And Russia will be sanctioned back to the stoneage, the only money it will get will be what China offers. They may control the cities but they’ll never control the land, Russia need to learn from the British concerning Ireland in that, I fear also NATO could get sucked into this directly through Russian provocation, even Putin knows if that happens he and Russia are finished.

History bazbot.
Back to the cold war not storage
He won’t care

Tell you who could go backwards as well.
The West.
It relies on globalisation. Capitalism relies on growth.
This will take a massive chunk out of global corporate profits.
Your pension will shrink and inflation will rise.

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You’re ignoring Ukraine, what do they want?

Enlighten us.

All this talk about “Z” being a Russian symbol of the Ukraine conflict. A first glance at how our flag looked I thought WTAF :scream:

They
Want
To
Live.

As did Iraqis, Libyans, Algerians and before them Afghans

Whatabouters are about to experience the costs of war

Bazbot
When you finally acknowledge this genocide was caused by your corrupt system accepting Russian bribes since Perestroika your opinions may hold some value.
Read the reality
ÂŁ10mil to to Torygraph.
Brexit
Abramovich and before.
You’ve
Been
Played
Iran & Saudi have been emboldened
Stop ranting
These are the final days

One from a number of websites reporting this

I’m not ranting, I’m pointing out it would appear you want peace for you and not the Ukrainians, I want peace but the Ukrainians must decide what they want.
Why are they resisting so heavily if they want peace? They know they could submit and it’ll be quiet but at what cost to their sovereignty?

There has been Russian money in politics for years named lobbying, its corrupt, mp’s are corrupt and they must be charged, found and prosecuted, that didn’t create this, London’s dirty money and corruption (I’ll think you’ll find Barry always said London was a corrupt shithole)


Iran is a rogue state and its a battle not with the west but with Saudi, the whole World would be better if they sorted their mess out, Sunni and Shia and they’ve been fighting that war for centuries.

Phil, with respect your position on this is quite rightly emotive as you’re far closer to the warzone than we are but please correct me if I’m wrong but it would seem you want Ukraine to surrender and not join NATO whilst you’re next door in a NATO country, a country that would never give up that membership, so from this I can only take is you live in Poland and don’t want Poland to be in NATO?

If true it makes sense, the Chinese value trade with the US more than their relationship with Russia, that could go a long way for peace to be brokered, Putin alone and sanctioned will hopefully make him see sense.

The amount of tat the UK & EU buys would also make a dent in the Chinese economy if it went to sanctions.

The Chinese have got to be looking at the longer term picture. They know that if Russia goes down as a power, they’ll be encircled next.

China relies on the west to keep its middle classes satisfied and the only way the Communist party will continue to do that is strangely by capitalism, if the middle classes growth stagnates then questions will be asked and then what all totalitarian fear, regime change and revolution!
The Chinese may be closer to the Russians than the west but they’re not soft, if push come to shove they’ll fall in line as they’ve too much too lose economically, the Chinese would take on the EU no worries but not the US, Japan and all nations that surround it trade wise, bad for business.

In 30 years time China won’t be a communist Country, its the crappest communist country as it needs capitalism to survive.