What the fuck happened to the 48% remainers? Have they stayed at home or become Brexiters?
Come on Diane, are you even trying?
First off, I think there were as many people that fell for Project Fear as fell for Project Bollocks. There was a sizeable reluctant remainer demographic. I also think that there was a perception, especially among the affluent, that Europe was a lovely fluffy thing that they got a lot of benefits from.
Not only did the financial ruin not pan out, but we’ve also seen a more truculent EU in the past week, British people don’t like being told what to do. It was true during the Brexit vote, and is true now. The EU don’t look so fluffy no more*. May will attempt to capitalise
* I predicted this some time ago, so would like a +1 political awareness point from @bearsy , who so accurately charted me earlier in the thread,
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He is a decent guy, but so’s my bin man, doesn’t mean he can be an effective leader of the opposition in a right wing Britain though.
How can you say the financial ruin has not set in, we haven’t left the EU yet?
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I stayed at home.
In the immortal words of Jim Royle - Brexit? My arse!
There’s reasons I can justifiably call her U-Turn Theresa. They’re called Parliamentary defeats. She has many, and she did not suffer them because she was unopposed.
She’s also a pro-European saying she’s the girl for a hard Brexit. I don’t think she’s going to be particularly effective in negotiating terms with the EU.
Hasn’t set in yet. Economy is confounding the dire forecasts,
Can’t really see it setting in if we make sensible choices in this election, Labour want to create an internal supply chain for manufacturers looking to reduce their imports. That’s sensible policy, and will create both jobs and know-how,
Whichever party wins, wages will go up as the labour market contracts. Whether you like Corbyn the politician, his policies are going to better address those needs. We need skills, and his education policies will provide those. We need infrastructure to truly join the dots on this island, including transport and housing, and that will create not only jobs, but also improve the prospects of all.
Even the likely foreign policy is something that any patriot should consider. Can anyone, friend or foe of Corbyn, see him saying “I will be with you whatever”, as Treasonous Tone did with Dubya? Do you think we’ll be poodles to foreign interests? And yet, he’s presented as a maniac because he won’t consider a first strike nuke, or tell Andrew Marr the countries he’ll be targeting.
Which of Corbyn’s policies do you disagree with?
Fair play Pap for continuing the fight, but if I was a Labour MP without a five figure majority, I’d be shitting bricks right now.
They’ll be sharpening up their CVs as we speak.
Most remainers outside the echo chamber have got over it and wish to respect the will of the people. Or they’ve even changed their minds.
The remain camp promised us a plague of locusts and a rain of frogs on June 24th. Its cost them.
One word. Turnout.
Haven’t changed my mind and haven’t heard that from my fellow people who voted no to leaving. But my god am I bored of it all. I am bored of the name calling on both side. Brexiters and remoaners. Are we kids? I am bored or hard and soft “brexit”. I am bored of that word too. I just don’t have the capacity to think about any of it. Anyone who knows me may be surprised at my lack of caring about it.
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That went shit and why?
Fucking Labour and their fucking policies have come home to roost, the forgotton North have now forgotten Labour, if they fucking listened with the issues facing integration, the EU, jobs always going down South then this would never have happened, they had 13 years to sort but instead we went to war because one twat wanted to as he was a Christian, fuck religion.
Still a month to go. It is important to put this into perspective. The average turnout for these local elections is less than 25%. Which means that 75% of voters didn’t vote. For all the crowing by the Tories about landslides, cheered on hysterically by the media, “the country has spoken, four square behind Theresa May in her brave fight against evil Johnney Foreigner trying to undermine our democracy”, the harsh reality is that 75% of the country have given up on the whole process. Such is the state of our “Democracy”. UKIP are now irrelevant, they were spawned in the Tory Party, they have now succeeded in their aims and now are, in reality, the Tory Party. That is the truth of the matter. Theresa May, Boris Johnson, until relatively recently were ‘remainers’. Staunch supporters of the EU and the UK remaining in it. Now, with an eye to the main chance, they have done a 180 degree turn, thrown any principles they had out of the window, become ‘Little Englanders’, that is all it takes to sweep up the votes of the xenophobes, wrapping themselves in the Union Jack, shamelessly appealing to the lowest common denominator. And it works. Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the average voter.
Sadly, unless there is a turnaround of seismic proportions, it looks as if ‘President May’ will win the upcoming General Election, much as it grieves me to say it. Already, on comment sections on the BBC etc, it is being said that anyone who doesn’t back her are 'traitors’to the country. This stuff works. It doesn’t matter about policies, all that matters is that Great Britain is under threat from the ‘Johnney Foreigners’ trying to rip us off and subjugate us. Absolute bollocks of course, but May and co are desperate for the great unwashed to swallow it, and, the saddest thing of all is that the great unwashed are seemingly desperate to swallow it. Must seem like taking candy off a baby to Lynton Crosby and co.
It has already been made clear that if May wins the election, the first thing she will do is take steps to start bombing Syria. People should be quite clear about this before casting their vote. Never mind that this will hand a secular state, on a plate, to Islamic State. The UK will effectively be acting as the Islamic State air force. For all his faults, and of course he has many, like it or not Assad is fighting to stop Islamic Jihadists taking over the country. If May gets her way and allows the UK to act as the USA’s bitch, toppling Assad and therefore in theory facilitating the Qatar gas pipeline through Syria, thus stymying the Russians, this will have untold consequences to Western Europe, regarding refugees, revenge attacks etc. Of course this is of no consequence to the USA, they are thousands of miles away,(it was ever thus). The UK has now, in their wisdom, decided to leave one strong alliance, the EU, and are now clutching at the coat tails of President Trump. Standing shoulder to shoulder with our new allies, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, Turkey, Israel. What could possibly go wrong?
The only hope Jeremy Corbyn has now, albeit a slim one, in the next four weeks he must aggressively target the 35% who, up to now, never vote. He should address them directly in the next Party Political Broadcast, look them in the eye and tell them, “I understand why, shamefully the Labour Party of the past 25 years has been indistinguishable from the Tory party, but i promise those days are gone”. Of course this will infuriate Blair, Mandelson and co and their placemen in the media, but he should stand firm, keep repeating it. He has nothing to lose. If anyone had told Jeremy Corbyn, in August 2015, that in September 2015 he would be the leader of the Labour Party by a landslide he would have laughed and called for the men in white coats. A back bench MP for 30 years, a bit of a rebel but adored and highly respected by his constituents. Suddenly at 70 years of age this drops in his lap. Immediately he is being pressured by party ‘Grandees’ to ditch all his principles, undergo a makeover, start wearing a sharp suit, learn soundbites by rote, and shit on all his supporters who voted for him. Before Corbyn all party leaders started in politics with one aim in mind, naked ambition to be PM. Trample over anyone, lie, stab your best friend in the back, didn’t matter. Nobody could ever accuse Corbyn of that. Being PM was the last thing on his mind, right up until he was elected leader. No matter what anyones politics are, left or right, what is clearly indisputable is that Jeremy Corbyn is a thoroughly decent man. Sadly it seems that being thoroughly decent is no longer a requirement for political high office. A crying shame…
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I wish I could rig things so I could vote more times, like I’m going to in order to keep @tokyo-saint off the Soviet*, to give @nottarf-krap s post more love.
Disappointed with the Tory crowd, Where are the policy arguments, @chertsey-saint , @cb-saint and @mrtrampoline (for shame on the latter - I was counting on an articulate debate, not these May-like morsels)
* I’m not going to vote multiple times. But MoreMonies4You and friends might.
It’s not about policies, I’ve said that so many times, it’s about his unsuitability as a leader.
But I don’t agree with:
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£10 minimum wage
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Banning 0 hour contracts
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Free school meals based on private education increases
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New Bank holidays
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Prevention of employing from abroad
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Public contracts to companies that recognise trade unions
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Maximum pay ratios
Just from what I’ve heard so far…its about 50% of the policies.
On a positive note, Spurs just lost.
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