Tigger… at least give a POV,because your down votes are a bit random? Not sure what you are trying to say which kind of makes tem pointless really? 
Maybe Tigger just disagrees with you?
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Thants fair enough, but the selcted posts were not those that stated a POV… more filler so a bit random
That’s nice Barry. So if you’re prepared to stand and fight, you wouldn’t send your kids private(you still haven’t answered that)? That is just buying your way out of the problem, isn’t it?
I understand the dilemma and it is a tough one, but no, i wouldn’t(have some faith in your childrens abilities, if you have spent time with them, teaching them, they’ll be ok) . Have faced that already. Was less than happy about my ex’s choice of primary/junior school, but the alternative was private(she wouldn’t accept my choice). I got involved with the school and realised the problem wasn’t them, it was peoples perception(mine included). They welcomed the worse, harder job but extra funding(does that still happen). Sure, they had problems, but that’s an education in it’s self for children. The only school i know that let every kid take their 11+ without a thought about league tables(they done very well, despite supposed wisdom). Imagine how many schools could be like this, if everyone got involved(yes i’m looking at all you educated people that can afford to bypass the system).
Is my view clear yet, if you give up and say there’s nothing i can do, you’re a failure and spineless(Chutters is right, I sound like you should). History does point to this being the biggest problem for humans ability to advance to a truly civilised way of living, because it’s just another way of dividing people into classes and we know where that leads(you used to get apoplectic about this. What happened to you(just too comfortable now?)) . Some things are far too important to be left to how much your parents earn. Don’t you think education is one of them? Your views on religion would suggest it’s paramount.
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Have a look at school in the l17, l19 and l8 area, your opinion will change I can assure you, some of the worst schools in the Country and also some of the best here, if they don’t get in the good ones you want to play all dignified and proud on your childs education?
You’re not an arsehole and I don’t believe you’d do that if you could help it.
And Liverpool is one if the only place in England that is still softly sectarian, we’ve haven’t developed up here and have mixed schools or they aren’t seen as highly for many reasons, faith and class still run deep in this City even though you daren’t talk about it.
No Barry, i would try to help the school. It is possible to bring up decent educated children wherever they go to school. Just a bit more effort than some can muster. You tory/liberals just don’t get it do you? By your thinking i’m an arsehole(by mine, you’re spineless). The breakdown of society has been caused by people like you, wallow in it.
Your still haven’t answered, State or Private? What are you really @barry-sanchez ?
I dont disagree with the principles you support and I wish it was easy to be ideological as opposed to pragmatic… but to really effect change takes longer than the short period of time ones own kids go through school. Yes you can call it selfish if you wish, but the decisions are not taken lightly from both an ideological and financial perspective… both involve serious compromise. Given that compromise, is it any wonder that I will be quite vocal in defending this case? Especially as there ARE serious misconceptions and myths perpetuated about it driven in the most part by those ideological opposed to independent education… Myths that are as inaccurate as they are insulting of many folks who have grafted and continue to graft to offer what they fell is the best for their kids?
Suggesting, that somehow its all a waste of money, that the kids will be arrogant fuckwits (cheers pap), is just misguided prejudice and I make no apology for calling pap out on that one - its the arrogance of the attitude that all who send their children to independent schools are rich selfish cunts… that I find as immature as it is insulting. For every stuck up twat without compassion, ignorant of the social challenges and without ‘nous’ leaving an independent school, there is an ignorant, twat leaving a comp… just as there are decent hardworking and honest kids leaving both.
This debate was not meant to be about these questions, but about whether parents such as I should pay more tax to pay for primary school meals. To position the argument around that as Corbyn has doen is to push parents like me into an impossible corner - disagree and we look like we dont acre about thsoe less fortuante kids… even though we agree on the idea of improved nutrition, but can not afford to add that 20% VAT on feess taht are already a fucking big challenge. A such Corbyn is in effect playing emotional blackmail. … a headline grabbing stunt that winshim few friends ouside his inner circle.
The saddest thing is, that a great idea of improved nutrition for all primary kids is lost amongst the shit strorm created because of his very specific singled out target group who should pay for it… as opposed to all of us who should be sharing a joint responsibiltyfor improving all education.
I do understand, but don’t you see, you are exactly the kind of parent that’s needed(got a feeling you could organise quite a protest). As soon as people like yourself are lured away it’s fucking hopeless. Without the people that understand the system, the other well intentioned parents/teachers will always lose(good intentions without the right skills achieve very little).
To me it’s a massive gamble on our own ability to teach our kids wrong from right(i do accept i talk about the past now, 16 so different worries, not the scary future for any parent with small children). Trust your own ability and your kids. The alternative is quite shit really.
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Good Lord. Like most of us have any fucking choice where we ‘send’ our kids.
Fund state education properly and improve it continuously.
It’s not fucking hard.
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How would you change it, pray tell how would you help the school,I did answer I would do right at the time by my children if that meant and I could afford I would send them against my beliefs to a private school.
Hypocritical indeed, but I’ll take that and being called spineless for my children and your opinion means little, now how would you change a shit school, I want to hear this as one in my catchment area got closed down for being shit and the “academy” opened up is not too good either. its not just the teachers but the parents as well.
Now give me an answer on how you’d correct it as you’d be a God in Liverpool if you could.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/local-news/enterprise-south-liverpool-academy-7539968
You make me chuckle @saint-or-sinner (Erin Brockovich). What would you do, you don’t even know the area yet you want a one man crusade, ha ha, you’re fucked up you.
Hm, I’m having a tough time with this one I’m afrai.d
27k gross comes in at £21.6k after tax (no student loan) so that’ll be £43.2k p/y with both parents working. If private school fees are £15-20k p/y then that’s between £23k-28k with which to pay the mortgage and raise a family.
Seems pretty tight to me. You could be right though. I suppose the private school fees won’t necessarily be as high as that and of course there’s always a bit of child benefit and tax breaks for being married and whatnot to help out.
However; on the other side of the coin, surely you could flip it around? If what you’re saying is true, then private education isn’t actually only for the rich or the elite, but is in fact, perfectly within reach for a couple earning the average UK salary.
You have assumed they are paying tax?
I would not say perfectly in reach, but in the same way that you sometimes see a premium / expensive car parked outside a small house in a crap area, some people definitely make big sacrifices to pay for education, or whatever.
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The school at number 1 in this list was in special measures 3 years ago. Now it’s top 10 in the country.
The ‘cost’ is a bit of a side debate, but toput it into perspective, when my daughter started going to her school at 5, part of the reason was also very practical… both my wife and I work and leave/travel by 730am not back until 6pm . The cost of childminding/child care for the 2 hours per morning and 3 in afternoon, would have been approx £110 per week… or £480 per month. The school fees were £6200 per year, of £516 permonth… meaning my wife could drop her off at 815am and pick her up on way home work… includive in the fees were after school clubs, extra sport, art, drama etc… 5 day a week…
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Indeed. The shit storm that is just about to hit the state system is nothing compared to what it has been over the last few years.
The people who can really make a difference (the Unions) are in a no win situation. Strike - and they’re damaging the education of children across the land and inconveniencing parents. Don’t strike - and they’re complicit in damaging the education of children across the land for generations.
As always, it’s the right wing media who shout loudest when teachers strike (you can guarantee Dacre et al don’t send their kids to state schools) - and primarily Tory voters who stamp their feet hardest when they have to take a day off to look after their kids - ignorant of the fact that it’s the party they voted for that’s doing far more to damage the present/future of their kids’ lives than any striking teacher.
Anyway, I’ve got the next two weeks off 
so I’m fucked if I’m going to spend it talking about work.
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No Barry, only a spineless tory denier would come out with the shit you have wrote. It’s never a one man fight, it takes collective will and action. Go back to your little tory heaven you spineless hypocrite and don’t ever abuse other people’s views again. A man that gives up his principals so easily, has no right. To think you had the nerve to call others a tory bellend, when all along it was the person you see in the mirror.
I’m surprised you didn’t sliver into the pub when we met. Now i know what you really are. @barry-sanchez the tory bellend, that just buys his way out of problems and sticks two fingers up at those that can’t. I’ll never take anything you say seriously after this. I did always wonder if you were really a right-wing nut job, thanks for the confirmation.
As you’ve probably worked out by now, I detest people that shout at others to fight whilst they themselves run away and buy their way out of the fight. What is it you really doubt. Your kids ability or your own?
What a crock of shit, you’d put your principles in front of your childs future, that makes you a cunt. You haven’t a fucking clue about the school and the area and you still haven’t given an answer, you have no fucking idea to the areas I am refering around here, some of the most deprived in the Country and you want me to make a principle stand on my childs future?
Prick.