Now we’ve got to the name calling stage.
I’m off out to enjoy a nice sunny day. Laters…
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The issue is its another Southerner commenting upon the North like he fucking knows it and expects a stand to be made, I won’t start with what Thatcher did and how the outlying areas of the City have never recovered, Southerners just don’t get it, in their ignorance the North is the same Coutnry but it isn’t well for for many parts, unless you happen to live in a tory area (Rural Cheshire and Yorkshire)you’re forgotten about.
Its fucking arrogance for him to ask me to take a one stand on my children future when he doesn’t know the areas, you can throw money at a school, shit thats basic and obvious, its all the other things like single mothers, lack of aspiration due to their quite legitimately being no hope, the life expectancy in a number of Liverpool areas is 55, 55!
Whatever Barry. You have already shown your words are just that, words. Nothing you say has any real meaning. Stick to abuse, at least your consistent there.
If the only good school was a Muslim school and you had to convert to get your kids in, would you, or would you send them to the shit school? How hypocritical are you really?
You’d put your principes in front of your childs future?
Faith schools? More division, you like that. No I wouldn’t the same as a Catholic school, CofE/Mixed as thats as mild as it gets here, you didn’t what I read when I wrote concerning Liverpool and its soft sectarianism did you, you’re simply playing the poster not the post
That says an awful lot.
Go and stand in the corner and have a word.
I’d fucking swallow every ounce of dignity and principles for my child, I wouldn’t give a fuck, you it would appear would risk their future so you can hold your head high?
I thought you were a man.
Oh dear.
I’m not having that and who would, I am told I have to make a stand then called allsorts when he doesn’t even fucking know the area, school or sitiuation its in, I have already said I am OPEN to the idea of fee paying if I can afford and we’re still here and can’t get into the good school, who wouldn’t if they could? The situation won’t arise in all probibility here but it could do as we still could be here, I don’t like the idea but I’ll happily be called a hypocrite all day long if my children have a better future, who wouldn’t, would you?
A mate of mine is a teacher in a troubled school (fucking shit) and he wouldn’t recommend kids going there due to many reasons, should I take his advice or this fellow here all high and mighty?
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I’m not rising to that.
If you moan about single mothers, it would appear so. Nice picture.
I suppose @saint-or-sinner would advocate denial of blood tranfusions for children as the adults don’t consent to it as it “their” stance and belief.
Is the local school that rough?
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I’ll bite…
…I taught a class last year with 20ish kids in it. Two kids with statements (including one with Down Syndrome), 7 (!) other kids with learning needs of some sort or another. of the 20+ eight were Pupil Premium (effectively Free School Meals in old money) who, whether we like it or not, almost always have associated behaviour problems. When I taught them we had 3 Teaching Assistants in the classroom along with me. The same group now has one. As a teacher I cannot possibly give them everything they need.
Admittedly that was a low ability group but it had to be small (20ish!) which meant that all the higher ability groups needed to be significantly larger (with associated side effects)
As a parent, that’s not fucking snobbery - that’s knowing my kids aren’t being catered for in a way that will allow them to exploit their potential.
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To respond to Pap’s grenade… I went to state maintained Grammar school in Kent 81-89… A 1950s technical high that gained Grammar school status in around 1984/5. A selective school that was truely only on merit and had a sixth form that was about 40% recruited from the local secondary moderns.
In my school, in my year, we had everyone from someone whose Mum murdered their abusive dad (think Brookside) to the daughter of the potential first Britain in space… but for the Challenger disaster… kids whose dads were brickies to bankers or no dads around at all… all kids, all looking to get on… yet despite the Grammar designation, leaking 1950s buildings, and 30 in a class in Thatcher’s shit Britain… so Pap, dont making fucking asumptions.
We had the advantage of extra capital investment due to LEA additional funding, yet we still had loads of kids unable to fulfil their potential and kids with behavioural problems as a result of shit at home… often one impacting on the other. That is a FACT of life. If you have schools that do not have the resources to adequately suppport children with challenging backgrounds, that can impact on many who have to share the same environment. It has fuck all to do with snobbery (because it has nothing to do with social class) - there are kids at independent schools who have behavioural issues due to problems at home (just usually not financially related) who are equally emotionally challenged and disruptive… but the schools have the resources to support so it has little impact on the classes.
Its another myth. Sure a huge amount of problems have their roots in financial, but its the emotional issues and resultant behavioural problems that cause most disruption and they are not exclusive to any ‘class’ - but like anything in life, if you have better resources to deal with it, it becomes less disruptive. How my daughter will turn out as a human being will be down to how well we as parents prepare her. The school just provides an environment best for learning, but life lessons come from a broader social sphere and influence. … When I first went to university (the first in my family as by old man joined the army at 17 as a squadie in the Royal Engineers) I was ready to detest the the independently educated… but I soon saw that the arsehole/cunt quotient was the same irrespective of background…that is if you did not let innate prejudices dictate your opinion.
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The one clear thing here is that people agree or don’t agree with private schools
Can we not just agree to disagree?
It’s distracting us from Bazza’s social integration thread FFS!!!
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Oh dear God, at least before I had a grudging respect for Barry that he would stick to his beliefs through thick and thin. Now we see its just a case of him only having those beliefs if it benefits him and his.
I knew he was a Tory all along.
Selfish. Fucking. Whopper.
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Barry reminds me of Billy Elliott’s dad. You know, when he gets the bus over the picket line, and we see him and we’re like SCAB! SCAB! SCAB! and Barry breaks down crying and he’s like Boohoohoo! He’s only fkn 11! He might be a woofter! Give the boy a fkn chance man! Boohoohoo give the boy a fkn chance!!
I’m not having that tho. What a whopper!
Much of this thread has operated as a hypocrisy detection matrix.
I particularly enjoyed @areloa-grandee sending his kids to schools where poor people have been eliminated.
Yep thats right Pap… Poor people are all stupid scum…keep it coming, you are the one looking like a twat coming out with playground shit like this.