In the same way as what is going on in the real world Iām not convinced you arenāt looking to incite / justify a war on this thread
1 Like
Not at all, just differing views, I am against all wars and donāt use Blairs illegal invasion as a deflection shield to Putins illegal invasions and occupations.
I simply donāt see how one can be used to weaken or justify the other.
Crimea is occupied, no propaganda is needed for that.
Donbas also (elections need to be held when the Russian mercenaries leave on the future but there is already internal dissent there)
Georgia is occupied and Russian remain there so no NATO discussion can take place.
Iām all for discussing that and simply not batting ābut but Blair went into Iraqā, I agree, heās a war criminal, like Putin.
Crimea. Itās a brutal example of Russian aggression. Referendum held beforehand. Over 90% of this Russian speaking area, funnily enough, did not want to be ruled by the nationalist Ukrainians installed after the coup.
I think six people died on the day of the āinvasionā.
Of course, the world hears constant tales of Crimean partisans, bitterly fighting to be ruled again from Kiev 
Crimean Tartars?
History it would appear isnāt your thing young Pap, Russian speaking have been planted due to Russian expansionism, donāt believe me, go check.
Similar to Ireland.
Talking of Ireland as an example would it be ok for Southern Ireland simply to invade and annex Northern Ireland without a vote?
Talking of that vote it was not only illegal (did you know this?) it was riven with fraud.
The coup you talk was happened as Ukrainians didnāt want rigged elections and wanted to join the EU, you may not like it as youāre pro Russian but Ukrainians have the right not to be.
An analogy of the Russian situation
Me and my neighbours from our estate are in the neighbourhood watch scheme.
A house near the estate possibly wants to join but lives within the shadow of another large estate.
The estate across the road broke into the house and moved into the bedroom that wants to join the neighbourhood scheme.
The neighbourhood watch scheme did nothing.
Now the estate that lives in the bedroom may want to move into the whole house cuckooing the house that wants to join the neighbourhood scheme.
The neighbourhood scheme has told the estate they must not move to any other parts of the house or thereāll be repercussions.
The leader of the estate that also lives in the bedroom says this weekend theyāre carrying out moving in house drills but nothing to worry about as theyāre just practising moving in and they do it all the time and wonāt be moving in anywhere.
The coup Iām referring to happened just after the Ukrainians rejected an EU deal with lots of strings attached in favour of a Russian deal involving less strings and more cash.
As to the general situation around Russia, there is absolutely no way the US would tolerate nukes on its borders, as we saw during the 1962 missile crisis.
Youād have to be a numpty of the highest order with fingers jammed in ears and eyes super-glued shut to see the Russians as the aggressors in this.
The nukes on the border is a red herring, no one wants them there, submarines can do that job, also hypersonic missiles will be with us soon, this is about social and political change, NATO donāt invade and colonise countries do they?
I havenāt even started on the Wagner Group yet either.
You mean the deal a Russian puppet refused and took money from Russia that started this basically, well the orange revolution (you havenāt mentioned that and I am surprised as youāre supposed to be a historian and democrat).
Russia invaded Crimea.
Russia invaded and now pays mercenaries to keep Donbas in the status quo of civil war.
Russia invaded Georgia to stop them joining NATO and the EU.
Russia is a dinosaur that wonāt allow the World to move in a way they want to, anti democratic.
If you side with them (never mind about Blair, Iraq or any whataboutery) you donāt side with citizens of the World wanting to choose their own destiny = anti democratic.
For all of your forensic interest in the subject, interestingly thereās been no mention of the ācrisisā on the BBC home page today, supplanted by wind, weather, Prince Harry and a UK athlete losing a gold medal for doping.
Iām sure someone will come up with a good argument about the establishment hiding facts etc etc though.
Its war guys, whether you want to believe it or not, Donbas is getting evacuated, that means a Russian assault.
Lol - Which agency are you working for and why appear just as this is apparently / allegedly kicking off?
Genuinely not sure of your agenda - you do get this site, right?
1 Like
Thanks Vlad you beauty.
Tanks mean training
Training means Simulators
Simulator builders need
Wait for it
English training
By.
Wait for it.
A natural English Speaker.
Just confirmed Iām now in the budget
Be very scared
2 Likes
RT as a source
My agenda is I donāt want a war, none at all, Iām anti war, and this has come about because of Putin and Putin alone,
Is he a dictator whoās engineered it so he can remain in power by altering the Russian constitution? Tick
Has he rolled back the years on human rights and gay rights? Tick
Has he invaded other nations to gain popularity at home? Tick
Is he friends with ex kgb now turned businessmen who control the nations assets? Tick
Has the Russian state killed and poisoned perceived agitators? Tick
All above are undeniable, theyāre not even opinion based.
If you think Putin is the good guy in this and he is being bullied then I suggest you ask yourself how would you feel if you were in Ukraine this evening with a young family? Iād be scared shitless and extremely frightened for my family.
Ukraine wonāt go an inch over the Russian border, it will be a purely defensive battle, and one over the right for self determination or another satellite like Moldova and Belarus.
I quoted that as its Russian propaganda, trying to be fair.
I would guess many businesses and companies your way are very very happy, thanks to Putinās aggression he will see an awful lot more of NATO in places heāll find uncomfortable, also the sanctions will be absolutely crippling and from what I can gather wonāt be solely Oligarchās money and wealth, itāll be sanction of food staples and basic things so to affect the common man/woman, this will affect the standard of living and will give rise to public dissent, there is already dissent in the east of the country, back to what I said Putin is most scared of, revolution.
Putin is following a clearly stated Red Line Policy breach. Caused by Merkel the moron.
It has been a Red Line since the days of Perestroika so comes only as a surprise to expansionist fools like her.
There is and always has been a simple solution but bojo & his harem and joe need a distraction
Ironic that his actions have strengthened what he sought to stop.
And no, there are clear signs that global business are shifting themselves
But not the military/industrial elite
I think is what you meant
3 Likes
Could you see Poland ever wanting to leave NATO?