Sort yourself out, mush.
Itâs Chamberlain-esque* when someone wants peace.
Yet Nobby Churchill wants something else but claims to want peace.
* Based on an extremely limited view of history that I donât share.
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PETER HITCHENS: Why I blame the arrogant West for the Ukraine crisis
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Craig Murray seems to be suggesting that the West and Putin basically agreed the sanctions on individuals upfront via Oleg Deripaska.
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You are obsessed with Putin.
Youâre trying to make the issue all about Putin when the underlying issue is about the relationship between Russians and the various peoples that constitute their neighbours.
If you cannot see that Russians have reason to fear NATO imperialism as much as their neighbours have to fear the legacy power of Soviet imperialism, and instead you want to reduce the discussion to one about your grievances against an imagined Putin boogeyman, then there is no point in trying to advance any discussion with you.
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Iâm not saying @Not_Barry is gullible, but if someone told him the reason the sky was blue was because there was a man with a big ladder going up to paint it every day, he wouldnât question it.
Heâd be looking for the man with the fucking ladder.
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NATO hasnât invaded Ukraine, Russia has.
NATO is a red herring and I hope youâre intelligent enough to know it, your Chamberlainesque attitude will consign 1000âs of deaths.
NATO hasnât invaded Ukraine, or Georgia, what are they doing in Transnistria?
Can you explain that tweet, what was the west 1990âs carve up? Ha Ha thatâs a cracker that, a denial of nations wanting their own affairs, would you object tanks rolling back into Poland? Hungary? To restore the old order?
Poland and Hungary are nato members so you do know what that would mean, right?
So because theyâre NATO members its bad but if not then its ok? Illegal invasion wherever it is is bad, simply call it out and stop excusing it with whataboutery, Christ if Putin comes here the red carpet will be rolled out.
So been doing a bit of reading up on thisâŠhave to say itâs an odd one. I donât support Putin âinvadingâ, butâŠlooks to me like a systematic fuck up on the Westâs side over the last 30 years.
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The key difference is that those ex Warsaw Pact members who are now NATO members joined out of their own free will
Ukraine doesnât seem to be getting the luxury of self determination and free choice
Ukraine had all that until it decided to have a coup.
Was it really a coup? Guess that depends on your view point.
A December 2016 survey by the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology found that 34 percent of respondents in the government-controlled Ukraine regarded the change in power as an âillegal armed coupâ, while 56 percent regarded it as a âpopular revolutionâ.
When the CIA director is about at the exact same time as a coup, itâs a coup.
Also, it doesnât matter what a 2016 survey says. It matters what the constitution says. According to the constitution, the transfer of power didnât have enough backing.
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Not sure I necessarily agree with that
If that were the case then you are saying that every revolution that ever occurred was a coup, because sure as shit any dictator would ensure their âconstitutionâ would name them leader for life.
The vast majority of revolutions are also coups. Itâs only really South Africa I can think of that wasnât, and few call it a revolution.
From BBC
â It is not clear if any new Russian troops have yet been sent into the two regions, which are run by Moscow-backed separatists.
Earlier, Defence Secretary Ben Wallace said Mr Putin had gone âfull tontoâ in escalating the Ukraine crisis, adding that he had âno friends, no alliancesâ internationally.â
âFull tontoâ?! 
Good to see a clear and level head in the responses to the situation from our Government
Ffs 
They know some madmen will lap it up.
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