Donât even know what that is, anyway you keep finding ways to blame the west and appease Putin and Russia.
Just one really. It involves sitting at home and not being involved. Iâm also not so hysterical about it that I canât analyse it as a series of world events.
So youâre not really political then, or only political when you agree with something, the thing is I think you know Putin is wrong, you just hate the UK and the US more than Putin and youâre too proud to admit it.
On the contrary my good man. I like the UK and the US. I just donât think they have very good governance and those governments have made terrible foreign policy decisions for decades.
Letâs see what amazing disasters we blunder into next. Best case, they realise theyâve been checkmated here. Worst case, nuclear war.
I would expect that Putin is going to occupy those two regions and see what happens.
And @pap hits the nail right on the head @Not_Barry
Itâs odd that some people think that itâs perfectly OK to say that those who donât slavishly agree with everything our government says must hate the UK and prefer (insert dictator / whack-job head of government of choice).
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Where do you stand on Putins remarks
Ukraine is not a Country.
Ah now I agree with that but its transparent, I dislike the tories and the establishment as much as any and their handling of this has been awful BUT theyâre not to blame for this at all, if Ukraine wants to join NATO so be it, Iâm a soft Unionist but if Northern Ireland wants to unite with Ireland so be it, democracy trumps all.
This is Putins doing and he needs to be condemned for it.
Just skimmed through the translated transcript of his speech here:
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/67828
Itâs long (they havenât finished translating it yet) and I may have missed it, but I donât find a part where he says that Ukraine is not a country.
I did find this part:
I would like to emphasise again that Ukraine is not just a neighbouring country for us. It is an inalienable part of our own history, culture and spiritual space. These are our comrades, those dearest to us â not only colleagues, friends and people who once served together, but also relatives, people bound by blood, by family ties.
He also says:
modern Ukraine was entirely created by Russia or, to be more precise, by Bolshevik, Communist Russia.
But he doesnât seem to say what you are claiming.
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Where have I said he said that last night?
Donât jump the gun and assume but Iâll help you as youâre older than me so Barry says.
Given current affairs I had thought that you were echoing a BBC editorial comment I read on Putins speech yesterday, but obviously you wanted Pap to comment on an out of context remark that Putin allegedly said at a NATO summit to Bush in 2008.
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No, I actually hoped people knew what Putin thought about Ukraine, obviously, it echoes of what Hitler was thinking around 1938, if you know your history and all that.
Given current affairs the way that they are I wouldnât assume too muchâŠ
Tbf youâve stumbled across a site where the average age of the membership means people do actually know their history (some may have participated in it, eh @lifeintheslowlane ? 
).
People may not agree wholly with you, but itâs not to say they donât understand the situation- itâs probably easiest to not make assumptions.
I think that is what I said there, donât assume anything, what I wrote wasnât wrong, someone assumed what I wrote and got the wrong end of the stick, that is not down to me, I try not to assume anything.
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From the BBC on Trumpâs response to events:
âFormer US President Donald Trump has called Vladimir Putinâs orders to send troops into Ukraine âgeniusâ.
Appearing on a right-wing radio show, Trump was asked about President Bidenâs response to Putinâs sending military forces into Ukraine.
âI went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, âThis is genius,ââ Trump said.
âPutin declares a big portion of the Ukraine - of Ukraine. Putin declares it as independent. Oh, thatâs wonderful. So, Putin is now saying, âItâs independent,â a large section of Ukraine.
"I said, âHow smart is that?â And heâs gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. Thatâs strongest peace force ⊠We could use that on our southern borderâ.
The Republican former president continued to praise Putin later on, while disparaging his successor.
âYou gotta say thatâs pretty savvy. And you know what the response was from Biden? There was no response.â
Very odd given his own troubles over Ukraine and the last US election.
Stop the War condemns the movement of Russian forces into eastern Ukraine and urges that they immediately withdraw, alongside the resumption of diplomatic negotiations to resolve the crisis.
This dispute could and should be resolved peacefully, and that remains the only basis for a lasting settlement, rather than the imposition of military solutions. That it has not been resolved is not, however, the responsibility of the Russian or Ukrainian governments alone.
The conflict is the product of thirty years of failed policies, including the expansion of NATO and US hegemony at the expense of other countries as well as major wars of aggression by the USA, Britain and other NATO powers which have undermined international law and the United Nations.
The British government has played a provocative role in the present crisis, talking up war, decrying diplomacy as appeasement and escalating arms supplies and military deployments to Eastern Europe.
If there is to be a return to diplomacy, as there should be, the British government should pledge to oppose any further eastward expansion of NATO and should encourage a return to the Minsk-2 agreement, already signed by both sides, by all parties as a basis for ending the crisis in relations between Ukraine and Russia.
Beyond that, there now needs to be a unified effort to develop pan-European security arrangements which meet the needs of all states, something that should have been done when the Warsaw Pact was wound up at the end of the Cold War. The alternative is endless great power conflict with all the attendant waste of resources and danger of bloodshed and destruction.
We send our solidarity to all those campaigning for an end to the war, often under very difficult conditions, in Russia and Ukraine. Stop the War can best support them by demanding a change in Britainâs own policy, which can be seen to have failed.
Of course people who love peace and hate the establishment should not agree with stop the war because the establishment says it helps authoritarians like Putin and has strong links to Jeremy Corbyn.
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Stop the War is Chamberlainesque and would sell Ukraine into serfdom, does Putin think like the people in Stop the War, do you think Putin likes them? Theyâre handy but theyâd be liquidated in they were in Russia.
So Nobby Churchill fancies a war with Russia then?
No but I donât fancy appeasement when it wonât work Neville.
And theres a surprise, theyâve been in less than one day and a mystery bomb has gone off, no injuries but a bomb has gone off, been watching RT all day and its absolutely comical, these actors are belters.
This man is an absolute tyrant, a highly intelligent dangerous tyrant.