Ah Tokes also for up for bants.
To finish we need to accomodate difference, I will always see a person first and religion very very low down in the order. I donât think there is anything wrong in that.
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It is rather amusing watching you lefties arguing amongst yourselves, I suppose we are going to get used to it over the next few years.
Apparently according to these interesting people I am not on the left as I donât fit in with their agenda, for one I am tolerant of all people and actually nail my colours to the mast, reading through this again its worrying the amount of silence there is on homophobia.
Iâm too busy getting bummed to comment.
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Ha ha!
Iâm sure youâll find many practising Muslims who are not homophobic, just as youâll find plenty of practising Christians who are. The former doesnât make Islam in itself (or indeed the Qurâan) tolerant of differing sexuality, nor does the latter make Christianity or the Bible homophobic. Does it really not occur to you that there are many, many gay people in this country - of any or no religion - who feel unable to tell their parents about their sexuality?
Can you be Muslim and gay? Dunno, Iâm neither. Youâre basing statements on an entire religion on the experiences of one person it seems.
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Do you think the Qurâan is homophobic? That what I asked hours ago and no one will give an answer,yes or no, its very simple.
http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/homosexuality.htm
Of course people from all faiths and people agnostic or faithless can be, will be homophobic, but is it written in scripture? The Western church has had to relunctantly accept this due to people becoming more accepting of all people regardless of our differences.
How many gay people do you know?
How many are muslim?
When you say youâll find many Muslims are not homohobic well what dies that mean, they accept and regard gay peope as equal or they resent their existance but say nothing for fear of the arm of the law?
The bible is homophobic and we laugh at the inbred hicks from Tennesee calling them fags etc, the shoes on the other foot and its merely a cultural difference is it?
You can decide but you canât sit on the fence saying effectively nothing but platitudes, that what most of the comments on here have been, platitudes with fear of offence written right the way through them.
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Thereâs an awful lot of contradiction in that post. You accept that religions, their adherents and their heirarchies can change, yet you focus on your perception of the Qurâan as if it is cast in unalterable stone for ever.
If we laugh at or abhor fundamentalist Christians from Tennessee or anywhere else, this is essentially a cultural difference, not a religious one. Similarly, the difference between the views that I hold and those of, say, the Saudi mullahs is also essentially cultural.
Those who wish to dominate and subjugate others have often used their apparent exclusive claim on the word of their god to do so. Mullahs do it, priests do it, rabbis do it too (I could come over all Cole Porter here). Politicians are hardly immune, come to that.
Your last bit I agree with entirely. But itâs not just Muslims who have killed atheists, or persecuted those of other religions.
And on that Iâd agree with you entirely.
I thought this was interesting because Jayda Fransen is saying the same things as Barry.
Are you suggesting what I think youâre suggesting?
I honestly donât know as I donât know what youâre thinking.
In an attempt at speculative clarification, I was just shocked at how close the rhetoric is, but wouldnât like to go much further. Not saying Barry is a member or owt, but they do have a reputation of being very effective at getting their message out online. Maybe Barry has seen some of their images on Facebook and has been convinced of their (ahem) merits.
Sir Bazzington of Sanchez; comment?
Fatso was thinking that you were thinking that Barry Sanchez is Dune.
I thought you were saying that Barry was a woman.
Am I fuck she is a cunt, why is it you disagree with a people throw mud, this is like the work of the Sun and the right wing press. Britain first are a shower of closet fascists, like the extreme British hating pinkos who fight for any cause thats against Britain. They simly hate Britain and apologise for anything that happened in a previous era, white guilt its called, the biggest threat to this Nation is not from distant shores from different religions, faiths, colours and beliefs, its from Julians and Tamelaâs from Surrey who live in a teepee (they can do this as their fathers are stockbrokers).
Corbyn is one of these, I voted for him so I only have myself to blame but I agree with many of his pronciples but also many I do not, Monarchy, Trident and his liasons with the IRA but you have to take the good wth the bad, Miliband, Blair also.
Pap you still havenât answered your views on the Qurâan, to whether is a homophobic document, not the adherants (by the point of observance they are but thats another issue), we have said the bible is we have come this far, just a little further now.
You could also throw in sexist (man is the caretaker of women) but thats another poinnt.
Not the people the books, religion is bad, people canât be trusted with it.
Happy mud slinging guys.
I reckon Barry is better at snooker though.
Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
Am I fuck she is a cunt, why is it you disagree with a people throw mud, this is like the work of the Sun and the right wing press.
I was very careful in those two posts NOT to make a big thing of anything except the fact that you were sying many of the same things, and you are. Like her, you have raised concerns about certain towns being comprised of people from certain backgrounds.
Britain first are a shower of closet fascists,
Indeed.
like the extreme British hating pinkos who fight for any cause thats against Britain. They simly hate Britain and apologise for anything that happened in a previous era, white guilt its called, the biggest threat to this Nation is not from distant shores from different religions, faiths, colours and beliefs, its from Julians and Tamelaâs from Surrey who live in a teepee (they can do this as their fathers are stockbrokers).
Blimey. One sentence on Britain First. All of this afterward. Again, youâd probably get a measure of agreement from Jayda.
Corbyn is one of these, I voted for him so I only have myself to blame but I agree with many of his pronciples but also many I do not, Monarchy, Trident and his liasons with the IRA but you have to take the good wth the bad, Miliband, Blair also.
Itâs the first weâre hearing about it. I would like to hear more of your objections, and the reasons behind them.
Pap you still havenât answered your views on the Qurâan, to whether is a homophobic document, not the adherants (by the point of observance they are but thats another issue), we have said the bible is we have come this far, just a little further now.
Not being funny, Barry - but why the fuck should I? This is a point which you pulled from your arse which is completely irrelevant to the discussion.
You could also throw in sexist (man is the caretaker of women) but thats another poinnt.
Yeah, and you could have a go at many branches of Christianity for the same thing. A woman isnât fit to spread the word of God in certain capacities. Again, completely irrelevant.
Not the people the books, religion is bad, people canât be trusted with it.
Happy mud slinging guys.
Iâm sorry you feel that way. Your comments are on this thread. Jaydaâs comments are in that BBC3 video. I believe that irrespective of where you might be coming from, many of your concerns seem to be the same.
Put Jack Straw into that pot as well (and many other Labour politicians as well, also many people of this Nation, are they in Britain first?), what give you a moral high ground over Fransen when you wonât condemn a homophobic document, you two are peas in a pod.
She condemns something as it suits her agenda and you wont as it suits yours, am I missing something?
If you want we can return to the original point of Britains relationship with Brussels and our hopefully imminent exit, we probably wont get a vote as they are tearing themselves aprt as it is.
Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
Put Jack Straw into that pot as well (and many other Labour politicians as well, also many people of this Nation, are they in Britain first?), what give you a moral high ground over Fransen when you wonât condemn a homophobic document, you two are peas in a pod.
She condemns something as it suits her agenda and you wont as it suits yours, am I missing something?
Iâve condemned homophobia loads, including on this site. I think homophobes are twats. The bit youâre missing was where this was even relevant to the argument. Iâve stated several times that Iâm not religious, donât see any of the holy books as anything to live by, let alone take literally. In my view, homophobia in texts that are supposed to be the word of God simply reinforce my view that these books are of their time, written by people with a limited knowledge of the world. So yeah, Christianity, Islam or any other religion which condemns homosexuals can do one on that score. I am not standing up for them.
Are both of those books just guidebooks for homophobia, though? I was of the opinion that they contained stuff on loads of other things, and that the homophobic parts appear sparingly in passages which also say that shellfish are an abomination.
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