Just need to copy and paste the complete url.
Or escape the underscores (_) when you pasted the link because discourse interpreted them weirdlyâŠ
Honestly, what shape do you see that taking? How do these smaller countries make any headway in defending their national interests?
Things have changed in lots of ways, not just weapons and who has them. The shift has been happening for years(and will take years more). American bases and ship fleets are unprotectable mass coffins, from multiple different groups now(as is israel). You only need to look at the shock when Iran turned their oldest scud missiles into a higher precision weapon than we understood possible. Remember trumps â52 sitesâ turned overnight into âwe donât want to escalate, we want peaceâ and despite what they said there were multiple casualties(now admit 34 severe brain trauma cases).
But the big difference is whoâs investing and where. Things havenât exactly been going the murderers way lately have they. Howâs Syria?
The Iraqi PMs words express it well.
"After my return from China, Trump called me and asked me to cancel the agreement, so I also refused, and he threatened [that there would be] massive demonstrations to topple me. Indeed, the demonstrations started and then Trump called, threatening to escalate in the event of non-cooperation and responding to his wishes, whereby a third party [presumed to be mercenaries or U.S. soldiers] would target both the demonstrators and security forces and kill them from atop the highest buildings and the US embassy in an attempt to pressure me and submit to his wishes and cancel the China agreement.â
âI did not respond and submitted my resignation and the Americans still insist to this day on canceling the China agreement. When the defense minister said that those killing the demonstrators was a third party, Trump called me immediately and physically threatened myself and the defense minister in the event that there was more talk about this third party.â
The order of the world has been going through massive change and iâm not sure people in the west are seeing it, thatâs why i asked about msm reports on events in Iraq. Did they report and if so did their numbers match this picture?
This seems to be the future the exceptionalists are trying to stop(Iran/Iraq/Syria are very important for this to succeed) and the organisations mentioned are one of the reasons that the shapeless non entity known as the UN is irrelevant.
As for israel/Palestine, lots of death, but eventual freedom for all denominations, if the true people of that land get their way. Continued death of the innocent otherwise, until the inevitable of course, but left that long will also be extremely bloody.
Know when to quit might be the best advice for all invaders.
I think youâre missing the point. Iâd like to get back to it if we can. This tangent came about because I said I did not have much hope for Palestinians in Palestine.
With the veto power of the permanent members of the United Nations Security council being a no-questions-asked mechanism to defeat UN resolutions, there is no legal framework under which Palestinians can achieve any kind of redress to their situation.
For that to change, one of three things needs to happen.
- Those countries that intervene on Israelâs behalf stop intervening. I think this unlikely. The power of the Israeli political lobby is pretty entrenched in at least two countries with that status. With the toxic political climate created to cope with the likes of Corbyn and Sanders, thatâs only getting worse, not better.
- The veto rights of those five members are abolished. Two hopes. Bob Hope and No Hope.
- Other countries decide that the UN is a load of arse and form an alternate bloc, quitting the UN in protest.
Do you see any of those things changing?
No iâm not. Iâm saying the UN has been seen as the nothing it is by a great chunk of the planet for quite a while.
Talk of veto powers and the UNSC are meaningless to most, as theyâve long understood the reality.
Change has been happening for years and people with the resources and might(along with smaller nations) have been undermining the foundations of the hegemony. Things like the alternative to SWIFT have all been done with a long term goal and will change the ME completely(and eventually Palestine).
Much more than three things are already happening and your looking at it purely from the view of the west.
- You need to stop believing that how people in the US/UK think matters. Thatâs over. Syria proved it(as have Iranâs reprisals). The Arab/Persian world donât care how the western public are lied to and our power to dictate is history.
- Again, a western view from a position of power that no longer exists. The UN and vetos are as in 1, history (Putin offered a framework for reforming the UN. How did that go down and do you think he didnât know before he wasted the time. Maybe a very deliberate move?).
- Close, but itâs already happening. There wonât be a lot of protesting(apart from us, the French and the yanks), theyâll just leave us behind.
How did you not see all those things changing?
Itâs far from complete, but itâs chugging along nicely and gathering pace all the time. The Palestinians will of course still suffer hugely for a time, but they will return.
What happens when the US canât force itâs currency on others?
Hereâs a clue(look at the top left figure).
Other players have been positioning the pieces for years and investing in a different kind of future. The list of sanctioned countries reflects this(+plus all the regime change antidemocratic stuff).
I donât think I would disagree with your statements on how the rest of the world is reacting to US hegemony, nor would I have much quarrel with the overall power of the UN, compared to the other measures you have enumerated that competitors are taking.
They are however arbiters of international law. Itâs worth remembering that some of those competitors are also permanent members of the United Nations security council, so Iâm not entirely assuaged when I see them coming up in the world with that additional power.
Boiled down, and observed through post-war history, that veto power effectively translates as a get out of jail free card for breaking international law, whether youâre applying it for your own ends or for your allies, and all of them have done it, some more than others, and the US especially in relation to Israel.
I have long argued that the Israel-Palestine issue would have been sorted out with the simple application of international law. That veto has been crucial in preventing the application.
I donât doubt that our sentiments on the treatment of these people are the same, i just think things are moving faster and are more advanced in the move away from the hegemony. The non western world has been building mutually beneficial networks for years. We offer no insensitive except death. Our media of course donât show this.
Your last paragraph. Yes it would have been solved quickly if the aggressors had been knocked back early on and the veto certainly had a huge(decisive) roll in that. I believe that power balance has now swung the other way.
Although it might not look like it for a while yet, especially for the Palestinians, i do believe(and hope) the momentum is there and has been carefully planned, hence my view that the bulk of the worldâs population donât give a damn about the UN.
International law was destroyed by three countries. Itâs ârules basedâ now according to the aggressors and guess who gets to pick and change the rules on a whim?
Only problem, the aggressors are struggling to understand the shift in balance.
Peaceful transition to a new more equal future, or the aggressors doing what aggressors do?
I know where Iâd put my money.
On the subject of Palestine and the single sided non deal(iâll admit, i hadnât read about it and had no Idea how appalling it is), it will only speed up the inevitable.
Just watched this and Noura Erakat puts it well(particularly 6-7:30) âthere is no room for denial anymoreâ.
Worth a watch and Maté is a pretty decent interviewer as usual(his dad is brilliant, well worth listening to).
Recipe for disaster, or the beginnings of something less pigmentation orientated?
Sounds like the former. Letâs hope others have understood this for a while.
easy enough to avoid booking .com and expedia, donât think the others get much business from me anyway.
Congresswoman Betty McCollum is not liked by the official israel apologists.
Her crime?
âAIPAC wants its followers to believe that my bill, H.R. 2407, to protect Palestinian children from being interrogated, abused, and even tortured in Israeli military prisons is a threat more sinister than ISIS,â
Arab parties have got a record 15 seats in the Knesset.
Canât help thinking thatâs a possible way forward. Call it what you want. Even have a Derry/Londonderry situation if that helps. But get fucking representation.
So whatâs newâŠdisgusting. 
It really is time for a clear and unified public campaign that challenges the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance document. There needs too be a very public coming together of anti-racist groups to educate the masses that there is HUGE difference between anti-semitism and being rightly concerned about Israeli human rights abuses in Palestine etc⊠I simply cant for the life of me understand how some smart people are falling for the trap that this document sets out⊠political propaganda build on a shameful foundation of misinformed yet emotional blackmail, by a political regime that itself seems to have forgotten what atrocities such disregard for other human beings based on religious and ethnic bigotry can lead to.
There is NO place in this world for any kind of racism, anti-semitism, or hatred⊠the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance document seems to demand everyone dehumanises and ignores the rights of the Palestinians, for fear of being labelled and anti-semite
The fact that this has been used agains Ken Loach, arguably someone who represents the very best of what it means to be a compassionate and just human being, is despicable, and shows the document for what it is - political propaganda
Very well said, MoT.