:covid_19: 😷 šŸ„ Coronavirus the thread for all your fears PT II ā“

The T line looks faint to me - Take another test in 8 hours and it will be gone

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just in time for the pub

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Dubai has basically given up no mask requiered

The Danish seem to have the right idea?

Watching this for the second time. Denmark is about to suspend its vaccination program. This conversation is all about a study of ten vaccines in relation to non-specific effects.

These can be positive or negative. Interestingly, the mRNA vaccines had much more negative effects while the AZ demonstrated much lower rates of mortality than expected.

Pfizer documents are now trending in the UK on Twitter. I am very glad I refused my booster. Lest anyone think this is triumphalism, it’s not. I remain concerned for anyone that has had the Pfizer jab and that concern is right in my household.

This rumour started with Majorie Taylor Greene

She is a certifiable whack job

Have a look at the documents that Pfizer had to submit regarding their financial prospects.

They are legally mandated to tell their shareholders the truth about their financial prospects.

It’s in black and white, submitted by the company themselves. They are not confident of getting approval outside the context of an emergency.

Why are they not confident?

From what i can see is out of billions of vaccines, there has been 1233 subsequent fatalities none of which have been directly linked the vaccine

I was recommended the AZ vaccine after I answered the allergies question. I had a bad reaction to penicillin back when I was seventeen.

Clearly, there was an element of one vaccine being riskier than another before the vaccine programme started. The results from Denmark have not been conclusive, but many have pointed out the potential issues of mRNA based stuff, including its creator.

Big problem with this video is that it misrepresents the published data - and indeed Pfizer’s comments with respect to being granted regulatory approval by the FDA and EMA other than for emergency use.

Regulators determine approval based on strict criteria of efficacy and safety based on clinical studies. The fact that many vaccines were granted emergency or conditional approval is not uncommon, nor is the fact that some may not be granted full approval - indeed in the US over 50% of all medicines granted conditional approval are not granted full approval some 3 years later - yet they are used because its all about risk to benefit ratio. The fact Pfizer report this in their statements to both regulators AND shareholders is NORMAL…

Looking at ALL the adverse events reported from the clinical studies and Real World Evidence, there is NOTHING to suggest anyone should be concerned, not one grade 4 AE reported and many of the AEs not significantly different from placebo.

Its how this information is reported that concerns me as folks without the necessary knowledge of how such data SHOULD be interpreted start getting spooked and spreading doubts in others based on their own misunderstanding. The OVERWHELMING majority of doctors, virologists, infectious disease specialists continue to recommend its use. In future it may remain as an emergency only vaccine (as all others may) unless additional studies are conducted.

The video host misinterprets the sentences in the reports - of course governments needed to indemnify agents AEs given the speed with they have been developed and the lack of long term data. Its NORMAL, the alternative is wait 5-6 years, but all medicines come with risk, or more important risk benefit ratio.

As for India, they also wanted to develop their OWN vaccine… which is why they refuse to indemnify .

He also makes claims that investors can sue as if this is something strange… big pharma is NOT hiding stuff from patients and yet making it available to investors - All that data is in public domain…

And the rest is bullshit - ALL medicines need to generate confidence in doctors - and they are misleading the public - All doctors have access to all the data… it really is a load of utter agenda driven bollocks . The issue is some doctors buy in to the same shit as the conspiracy theorists (some are with zero blood for JVs FFS)… Its really is a load of shit

Get your booster

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With which I agree.
Equally, there are a lot of people who have been jabbed and had Delta who ā€œwere not quite rightā€
Mrs P_F had a succession of trips to the quack, all minor things, chemical levels, hormone levels, weight loos then gain. Absolutely nothing ā€œreportableā€ just things that didn’t happen before the jabs, and certainly sine Delta have been more frequent.

Nobody is going to run tests or surveys or trials, just her and a few pals have felt less 100% than they did. Could be anything, could be the vaccine, maybe it isn’t.

Is it not the case that these meds were licensed under emergency rules?

Yes. But that does not make them unsafe - as the AE data available to date confirms. As I said many non vaccines are only conditionally approved because they studies fall outside of what is the set standard for evaluation. Its all to do with the public health need or clinical use case. When this is very high, more likely to be granted emergency or conditional use. What Pfizer has said (and I suspect other manufacturers will follow) is quite correct, they can at this time not guarantee future full approval and thus sales, because on one has a crystal ball. All clinical studies are finite and as such only record data for efficacy and safety over the course of the study, with real world evidence then used in follow up.

The efficacy profile has been known form the start since its why we get boosters - better vaccines will come in future that may only need 1 even 5 years, but FFS, these vaccine shave saved millions of lives and yet folks are complaining about unknown length of efficacy? As for safety, nothing in any published date to suggest anyone should be worried … FFS some AEs were worse in placebo

The problem is most folks don’t know enough about how new medicines are evaluated believing approval means its 100% safe - they are not, and nor are all AEs known for many years, but regulators balance clinical/societal need with risk and its a system that has seen us move cancer 5 year survival rates from 20% to 90% in many tumours despite the toxicity of those drugs…

Take your booster

Indeed less risk than dying from aspirin or paracetamol…

I do wonder how much coincidence plays in all this

An ailment that has developed over the last couple of years that is now presenting itself is a prime candidate to be pigeon holed as long covid or a vaccine symptom

That’s not to say that long covid etc is bollocks, but it is natural for people to look for a reason for how they feel so they can rationalise it and Covid is bloody convenient

How old is Mrs PF and her pals?

The symptoms of long covid are very real, but biggest diagnostic factor is lung scaring.

However, there are a high number of medical problems with very similar symptoms… all those suggest could be attributed too… cancers, hodgkins and non-hodgkins, idiopathic Castlemans, phaeochromocytoma, menopause, type 2 diabetes, MS, various type 2 inflammatory diseases, other autoimmune diseases, Epstein Barr… and many many more

Are some of these symptoms caused by vaccines? possibly in a small number of patients, but when viewed from a risk benefit perspective and the 100s of millions of lives saved, I would take that…

Age rage 28 through to 42 (staying diplomatic)
And yeah that has been checked on the older one and no it isn’t any of the symptoms of that time yet
They’ve all had full range blood tests - the diagnostic system here is very good