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Everyone lols until step 2 :smiley:

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BBC News - Dr Fauci apologises for saying UK ‘rushed’ vaccine

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I am not one of this anti-vaxxer types. Quite the opposite, in fact. There was a scare concerning the whooping cough jab in the mid 1970s, I didn’t get the jab, and ended up getting the illness quite badly. Both my kids have had their jabs. I’m okay with vaccination.

Having said that, I am slightly more concerned about everyone taking something that is comparatively speaking, brand new, been through turbo-approval by the UK government, made by a company with a history of lawsuits against it, often running into the billions, for getting drugs wrong.

So while I don’t have a problem with vaccination in the abstract, I think you’d be crazy not to have any concerns, especially if you ask the question “what can possibly go wrong?”

I ain’t no medical expert but this vaccine ain’t new. According to Dr John Campbell (my go-to medical adviser) all these Sars type vaccines have a base methodology that can be adapted to suit an individual virus.

Like building a new car
you don’t need to invent the wheel every time.

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Good job nobody hyped up being first to get the vaccine. Or that it was a big thing to get so many jabs


Pfizer have supply chain issues.
UK to get less than half what they ordered


And they tell everyone how it is teaching uk. Seriously?

I am a scientific researcher with big pharma - not Pfizer - and I am also a leukaemia survivor. I have no concerns about any of the vaccines that are likely to be available by the time my turn comes up. The “usual” timeline of vaccine development is deeply affected by bureaucracy and limited funding. It is also appropriate to consider how much the science in this area has evolved in the past 10 years.

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As I said, I don’t generally have concerns. However, it’s the short time frame and mass application that concerns me.

As someone who works in the industry, you will know that there are numerous cases of litigation over the decades, to the point where any med advertisement in the US spends 60% of its runtime enumerating all potential side effects.

I would also point out that with a bit more “bureaucracy”, the world might have avoided Thalidomide and any other number of man-made maladies.

Then you’ll be pleased to hear pregnant women won’t be getting the vaccine yet. We have moved on somewhat over the last 60 years.

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How long ago was thalidomide? Do you think the industry has learned anything since then?

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You’d think so.

Mrs G spent a day in ICU yesterday to see how they are getting on. She reckons if everyone got a look at how fucking vicious this thing is and how it has fucked youngish people, there would be far less reluctance to get vaccinated.

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100% this.

“oooh I am worried about side effects”

Yeah OK, the small chance of a headache is a major worry. Fuck it, take your chances with long term lung damage and a ventilator.

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Empty mouth of all liquids.
Press play.
Call for medics

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Dr. John’s Update on the Vaccine roll-out


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Fascinating as always


The anti-vaxers are out in the comments column. 
obviously better informed. :lou_eyes_to_sky:

Brought to you by injury lawyers :pensive:

The vast majority of those claims are in the US which As we know is where you can sue Macdonalds for hot coffee


Many are dodgy marketing claims- historically, before what was called the Sunshine act, pharma company sales reps had plenty of fun ‘incentivising’ prescribers
 thst still happens but to a far lesser extent.

The other issue that is important to point out with drugs is that if we waited until we had the best possible long term safety data, no one would ever launch a new medicine
 because the patent would expire before we had the level of data some seem to demand 
, there is always an element of risk with all drugs, and all known Adverse events and side effects are reported in the data that is submitted for marketing authorisation that were seen in all clinical studies.

Problem is with side effects and AEs that only appear much later Than the length of the clinical study or the longer term safety follow ups.

The manufacturer is still liable for any unforeseen Long term AEs not recorded in the SmPC (The summary of product characteristics which lists out all known side effects and AEs where drug related or not
 )

So there is always risk involved but relative to the benefit you get from the treatment - chemotherapy works wonders against viral warts but would never be indicated for that as they are too expensive. Nd the side effects horrendous
 but if you have cancer
 different story

The Pharma industry does Get a hard time and in many cases rightly so, but they have also developed medicines that mean most cancers are no longer death sentences, had seen HIV become a chronic manageable condition (at least where affordable) and countless other diseases now treated as routine
 so on balance I think they do OK

With the vaccine, there will be some unknown risks
 but I would suggest the benefit far outweighs this, even if you are low risk yourself, it’s who you pass it on to that is more important


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My “concern” is not the 1st jab.

It is the “next one”

The current data shows about 3 months protection.
So what happens in 4 or 6 months? Holiday coming up? Which jab do you need? What are the effects of a cocktail.

Obviously the answer is “more time” but how much more time will those tests be done?

I am totally praying the jabs last longer I am DESPERATE to get back to work.

I work in pharmacy. The worst thing that can happen from our perspective is a patient safety problem. We only really deal with the assembling of prescriptions through automation.

We haven’t had any under my watch, but I know from the experience of others’ that patient safety issues will shut down production. I treat it as life or death. Can’t not.

Given that, it seems very strange that we’re putting an entire population at risk for the reward of protecting the small proportion at risk.

I hope there are no issues, but I might wait a few weeks before getting mine. If I’m not looting for weapons in the zombie apocalypse.

One last point on the legal stuff. It’s making its way over here at a rate of knots. Liverpool is full of ambulance chasers with plush offices on the river.