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Expect to see Kuenssberg speaking to the press whilst wearing a Cummings mask


If he’s talking questions then he’s not going to resign.

Expect more gaslighting where we’re being brainwashed into questioning what we believed about the lockdown.

We will eventually come to believe that the “if you’re ill stay at home message” had all sorts of qualification to it to do with child care and based on conditions you or your children might have.

Stay at home meant he should have stayed at home.

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Well obviously it wasn’t necessary to qualify the exemption to the “Stay At Home” message as he was the only person to whom it didn’t apply. He didn’t see the need to say “Stay At Home Unless You Are Domonic Cummins” because nobody else is “Dominic Cummings”

However Dominic Cummings from Bexley Heath and now residing in his second home in St Davids, Pembrokeshire has barricaded his front door and is resisting moves by the local Police to have him ejected.

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As I’ve long stated, the public don’t really respond to policy. They respond to stories, which is one of the reasons that the majority of the furloughed have been on gigantic fucking streaming binges.

Dominic Cummings knows this better than most. The Leave vote was secured on telling a better story than the Remain side could manage. They had nothing to neutralise the three word mantra “Take Back Control” with a public that had seen certain aspects of their lives spiral out of control.

He did it again, with a great deal of help from Keir Starmer and Hilary Benn, during the 2019 election campaign, successfully portraying the Labour party as an anti-democratic mob that were just interested in reversing the Brexit decision. Like I said, he had a lot of help, but again, he came up with a three word zinger, “dither and delay”.

Those three words have come back to haunt the Prime Minister, Cummings mouthpiece. “Dither and delay” describes the government’s response to the COVID-19 much better than it described a concerted factional plot to lose a second general election vote.

Cummings is also now the story, and it is such an easy story for the public to comprehend. While they’ve been kept from their relatives, the Prime Minister’s right hand man has been travelling infected and at the point of collapse for 260 miles up the country, with a four year old in the car (don’t tell me they didn’t stop somewhere) to be in close proximity with his parents, part of the highest risk group themselves.

This is official hypocrisy of the highest order, but I am not sure it is personal hypocrisy. I don’t think Dominic “if some pensioners die, too bad” Cummings was ever on board with the lockdown. That’s not excusing him. Whether he agreed with it or not, even the narrative offered up by the PM is utterly damning.

YOU ARE NOT BEING IGNORED. WE VALUE ALL CITIZENS. STAY ALERT. DEFEAT THE VIRUS.

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Yeah, Paul Holmes is ‘my’ MP and he’s getting dog’s abuse on Twitter from the Eastleigh massive for a) refusing to state his position on Cummings, b) saying he’ll share his thoughts tomorrow (after Cummings’ statement) and c) copy and pasting a central office message to his constituents that was either written by Cummings or approved by him.

There hasn’t been much to report recently and like a lot of people we had got into a bit of an endless routine where days, weeks and months are starting to blur into one. However as we come back onto dayshifts over a sunny Bank Holiday weekend there are a few things worth mentioning.

As I have driven around today there have been no obvious signs to me that we are still in the middle of a world health pandemic with the potential to kill hundreds of thousands of people in this country alone. The volume of traffic on the roads is high, with caravans, mobile homes and camper vans all moving about along with a large number of motorcyclists having group ‘ride outs’, there are queues outside most of the shops I have passed and there are people walking and cycling all over the place enjoying the sun.

This has appeared slightly at odds with current government guidance which is:

‘It is still very important that people stay home unless necessary to go out for specific reasons set out in law. These include:
‱ for work, where you cannot work from home
‱ going to shops that are permitted to be open – to get things like food and medicine, and to collect goods ordered online or on the phone
‱ to exercise or spend time outdoors for recreation
‱ any medical need, to donate blood, avoid injury or illness, escape risk of harm, or to provide care or to help a vulnerable person.’

I fully appreciate that there is what appears to be a lack of clarity around some of this guidance but for me (as one of the people asked to try and achieve what the government wants its citizens to do) the focus is on the words: ‘stay at home unless necessary’. There has been a lot of discussion about the wording and interpretation of the legislation currently in force and in the last 24 Hrs this has become a bit personal at the heart of the government with a debate raging over whether a senior advisor could have done what he did legally under the legislation.

As a police supervisor I occasionally get asked ‘Can we

.’ questions similar to these:

-Can we make probationary officers make tea for the whole shift.
-Can we stop and search someone because they ‘don’t look right’.
-Can I claim overtime for being off late because I’ve spent too much time chatting and not doing the work I needed to do.
-Can we arrest people for annoying us.
-Can we tell the CPS how poor we think their understanding of the law is when they make a decision we don’t like.
-Can we use force against someone without it being proportionate, legal and necessary.

The answer to all of these is of course, no. (I appreciate for some of the retired officers reading this, that may not always have been the case). But the question shouldn’t be ‘can we’, more: ‘should we’. Police officers in the UK have several hundred years’ worth of laws to guide them but I have found that for the majority of what uniformed officers deal with, a little knowledge and a lot of common sense will get you through.

We have been tasked with delivering the aims set out by Government around the lock down. We have been asked to; Educate, Encourage and Explain the legislation prior to Enforcing it. If we take Enforcement action it will be expensive for the recipient and ultimately time consuming for us. We are being asked to interpret words like ‘reasonable’ which can often mean different things to different people, depending on experience and circumstances.

It may well be that riding your motorbike with your mates on a sunny day feels like ‘essential exercise’ or going camping in the New Forest with your family is good for your ‘emotional wellbeing’ (not that this is my experience of going camping with my children

), so maybe the question shouldn’t be; ‘can you’ do these things but; ‘should you’.

I’m no scientist and I’m certainly not a politician but I watch documentary’s and the news and it doesn’t feel to me like we are out of harm’s way yet. So before you look to enjoy the bank holiday away from home please consider if this is something you ‘should do’ at this stage of the Country’s recovery.

The speeding vehicles are easy, we have calibrated speed guns and we are out in force conducting checks on the County’s roads in line with Force and National Priorities. The Covid legislation is less ‘black and white’ and if we end up having a disagreement with you over whether what you are doing is or isn’t legal we may have to let a magistrate make the final decision. I’m not sure that this will be helpful for anyone, so please try to focus on what you ‘should’ be doing in order to reduce the spread of Covid, rather than concentrating on the many different interpretations of the current legislation that are available online, from my mate John’s cousin or via several different newspapers



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Stay safe (ideally at home).
PS Dave Whitby and Salisbury CPT 5.

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This is an interesting thread about Cummings claims to have been writing about Coronavirus since last year.

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How about this one - no masks this time

Perhaps they were just doing what any parent would - if they don’t sell pictures they can’t buy food for their (possibly unwell) family.

:cry:

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Point is CB, People/journos being wnakers with no masks and not social distancing etc. is the kind of stupidity that the various slogans and policy was designed to prevent
 had we ‘the Great British Public’ the discipline and common sense to adhere to them
 its the fact that the Government’s own master of policy and spin can’t even stick to the stick to the guidelines that severely undermines any credibility in what they they to encourage the public to do


HIs supporters have tried to deflect away from this by pointing to others being shit, or crowds on beaches 
 no shit, why bother listening to Government advice if they don’t stick to it?

And then doing a fucking Prince Andrew and claiming he was testing his eyesight


I hate him for all he stands for, but that is no reason to resign. But his breaking of lockdown rules is, because it will indirectly lead to others ignoring the advice.

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I think the guys a dick - I also think if he had come out and said straight away “Look I made a decision in haste etc” he might have killed it early doors but he is a gobshite who doesn’t give a fuck what you or I think.

The reason why this is such big news is that a lot of people see this as an opportunity to get rid of him - not because of he may or may not of broken the lockdown but for purely political reasons.

Labour (and the other parties) want him gone because he is effective
The civil service definitely want him and his reforms gone
A lot of Tories want him out for a variety of reasons, that they have been shafted by him, that it weakens Boris, that they get more power without him
And finally the media, who I suspect has feel that they have been snubbed and that they don’t like their access controlled by him

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