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So I’ve seen 2 articles today.
One about how the rich are having to hover and make their own beds. As Alexei Sayel said ā€œon the humanityā€.

This one also caught my eye. I am fed up of influencers but I suppose they have to make money ans I don’t really want people out of jobs.

Is that because their floors aren’t being cleaned and they can’t risk getting dirty feet?

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That’s it.

Jokes apart, the TV stuff I’ve been doing is aimed at Influencers.
Loved giving them INFLUENCE advice. Even been getting some love for it
From influencers

For no good reason, I harbour an intense dislike for social media ā€œinfluencers,ā€ as well as anybody allowing themselves to be ā€œinfluencedā€ by them and any company that employs them. I wish them no physical or personal harm, but detest the ā€œcareerā€ path they have chosen and desperately hope that it fails.

Irrational, I know, but heartfelt just the same.

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Agreed, they will need to find a proper job. Like you I wish no one I’ll will, but it’s the fact this has become a career choice is utterly ridiculous… knobs

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Chris Giles, the FT Economics Editor has released a new estimate of total COVID-19 related deaths.

Instead of the 19,506 hospital deaths his model projects 45,200 total deaths

When we see these charts comparing our death toll with others around.the world, are we all using the same methodology - i.e. only deaths in hospitals?

Or do other countries, as would be logical and not that difficult (if you bother to test people outside of hospital), actually capture total COVID-19 related deaths?

A coroner in Germany, for example, could confidently ascribe a COVID-19 cause of death to someone who died in a care home if they had previously tested positive - enabled by their massive and early-introduced testing programme.

And if it is the case that our figures are alone in only including deaths in hospitals, then we potentially have an incredibly high death toll.

That’s why you should check out https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

They collect TOTAL number of deaths data by week. The graphs then plotted based on a coefficient of how different the total is from the expected norm… an average over many years and also shows the seasonal variation.

This in effect shows which countries have the biggest increases over their normal range and over what time frame…

Therefore it removes any issue over how or where the s deaths are recorded, and in effect takes into account the normal expected.

Ultimately you don’t get an actual figure of COVID-19 attributed deaths, which to be honest is not really the figure that is important, but you get a very good accurate picture of the IMPACT of COVID -19 on the number of local deaths

Where do need more accurate stats For future policy is an understanding of extra deaths due to COVID -19 itself, complications and importantly due to the shift in care away from other treatments. W.g what impact will the delayed cancer screening programs have etc… we nee to make sure that in future outbreaks, we have a plan for continuity of these services, not just a sudden shift of all resources to infectious disease

There will be people in future who die because Ric COVID-19 who have never had the virus.

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Oops

Followed by the 1st science

Masks on. Another howler by UK PLC

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Yeah, each time you paste the link I take a look but it’s not formulated so that I can answer my immediate question.

I don’t doubt it’s the right (the best) place to get my answer, just find it difficult to isolate the time-frame and countries for comparison.

Now if someone who works in health and has more time on his hands than normal would like to produce that analysis then I’d be very grateful.

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Didn’t the chief medical officer say that 20k deaths would be a good number to keep under? We’re about to hit that on hospital deaths alone.

It beggars belief that the government is unable to procure the same figures that national newspapers are able to get.

It’s only a howler, @Polski_Filip, if the reason for not making us wear masks was a) it would instantly take away all hope of front line healthcare staff every seeing a mask again (we stockpiled loo roll FFS) and/or b) we were aiming for herd immunity and to get it all over in one way through a ā€˜take it on the chin’ strategy.

So I’m not going with howler, these were decisions made.

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Er, how to put this…

Well neither of these studies is about masks or directly associated with testing the difference between likely infection rate between mask wearing or hand washing. Both are generally observational studies

The first study concludes that the higher infection rate is likely due to the TIME spent in proximity, but does NOT make any conclusions as to whether this is due to airborne or surface transmission

The second study is reporting a likely air conditioning system spread - which is always likely and why we all fucking colds after flights, as the system keep circulating. It’s known that the virus can be transmitted in water droplets from nose and coughing etc, hence the 2m distancing. Air con will do a great job of propelling these particles further and for longer… before their settle on someone or a surface we later touch.

So whilst it is extremely important for anyone who has has symptoms or works closely with to use masks and avoid spreading water droplets full of the virus, the two meter rule and avoiding people, Washing your hands is still the most important thing to do since there is evidence of high infection rates from surface transmission

In addition, there is the false protection psychology of mask wearing. If you are disciplined enough to still wash you hand BEFORE you put it on and take it off on ALL occasions you use it, great, but touching a surface then taking mask off will simply transfer to the mask…

It’s all about basic and discipline hygiene … and remember the masks are designed to keep your germs in, not others out or those on the chair or desk of cup etc…

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That ties in with the projections.

Fuck. Nearly half and it doesn’t even get counted or retrospectively communicated in our daily briefings.

And let’s remember that when each of those care home victims started to fall ill and the staff tried to transfer them to hospital or ICU they would have been told that they would not be admitted because they failed the NICE test.

One horribly uncomfortable reason that our NHS has coped so admirably during the crisis and perhaps the reason that Italy’s was overrun.

Did they try to save everyone and we decided to try to save only those that had the best chance of pulling through?

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Haha.

Like everyone else, I don’t have the raw data on actual COVID 19 deaths - eg deaths in folks who have died as a direct result of the infection and would not have died had they not got the infection.

Same as I don’t have the underlying death rate in care homes to subtract from the care Home deaths to monitor the increase versus pure COVID 19

It’s why the TOTAL deaths above the expected weekly average is ten best way to gauge both the impact of the measure being taken and provide an idea of which countries did better and what can we learn from them

Germany appears to have handle it very well but that is most likely to a number of factors… not just the testing and tracking but a generally healthier population with less respiratory and cardiovascular problems in the elderly and also a much. Ether health care system - care homes are staffed generally by nurses and Health care professionals, not the well meaning but often less qualified folks we have here in many private homes

We need to look at all countries and come up with a much better plan for both future outbreaks and the health care we get - it needs to be properly funded. So how much of that will Cummings and Boris give a fuck about?

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We have not tried to save everyone. I suspect as a matter of policy - it will be argued that it was based on risk and probability of survival. Eg Government will say if you have 1000 beds and 2000 need them, give the beds to those most likely to survive… Its a typical dehumanised rational, cold hard cunt Politics . probably why a government advisor sat in those Sage briefings he should have been nowhere near, taking clinical data ( which is never used to make decisions over who receives care) and it would not be too much to speculate that it could be used it precisely for that in his briefings

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It’s a very simple trick they’ve pulled.

  1. Limit the amount of people getting to hospital
  2. Use hospital deaths as the metric

I accept that even outside of the COVID-19 pandemic, people were routinely asked to sign DNR notices, but it’s nothing like the scale of what is going on here.

To see the government standing up day after day, lying to the public about the provisions, about the number of deaths, has been particularly sickening.

The social contract is at breaking point.

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