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Bullshit. The dad distracted the staff whilst the ruffians mum was inside thieving.

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Hospital covid in patients down 1% today and 5% in London

Fingers crossed everyone

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Ruffian?

You can take the boy out of West End but…

Just reminding you of the gulf in class. I don’t personally care. You will always be my favourite peasant.
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Sorry, just don’t trust the numbers anymore. I know you have qualified that these are hospital numbers. That you have to do that (because it’s the only figure available) is in itself offensive, a sign of significant government incompetence, indifference, or any combination of the above.

We are not the only country doing prestidigitation with our numbers, but I think our government has been most ruthlessly systematic about reporting low numbers.

First, the government has made it very difficult to be admitted to hospital in the first case. Next, they’re only reporting hospital numbers and claim they cannot pull the figures together from the network of care homes.

The government is still following the herd immunity strategy. It is sweeping the elderly dead under the carpet and hiding the community dead from view.

If Cummings actually said ā€œif a few pensioners die, too badā€, perhaps the government might want to give us its definition of a ā€œfewā€.

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I didn’t write hospital to qualify anything

It just what is reported - there are less covid patients in hospital than yesterday

Now that may not reflect the whole picture, however it is a measure. Providing you use the same basis To calculate the figure you can identify trends

The other trend is that cases are levelling off despite an increase in tests - how can that be explained if things are not improving

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This is interesting… it shows how the death rates fluctuate seasonally and you can compare the current versus the ā€˜norm’ - This allows us to remove the issues of what someone died from or where they died, and just see the impact of COVID-19 against the expected death rates…

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Didn’t mean anything except that you qualified the deaths were hospital only, which is the right thing to do under the circumstances.

However, the government is purposefully giving you an incomplete figure, and purposefully gamed the set up so it could give you that figure.

Talking of Cummings - he has disappeared - using this to lower his profile?

There are approximately 12,500 care homes in the UK with about half a million beds, the overwhelming majority in England, 85% of them privately owned, mostly by hedge funds. There are huge profits being made from these private equity backed homes, staffed by unqualified people on minimum wage, no PPE, regulation described as woeful. Shocking conditions reported for the residents in many of them. The CEO of Four Seasons Health Care, one of the ā€˜providers’ in the sector has told Sky News that the rate of infections or suspected infections of Covid 19 across such homes are running at up to 70%. Figures from Spain showing around 11,000 of 19,000 deaths are from care homes, no reason to think it will be much different here. Half a million patients, a possible 70% infection rate, do the maths.

This is why that infuriating graph they show every day is meaningless, it’s only purpose is to shield the government from scrutiny, for them to give the completely false impression that we are in line with other European countries. We are not if the government are deliberately leaving out thousands of deaths. Scandalous dishonesty. Hancock is only making comforting noises about care homes now because Channel 4 blew the whistle on it. A massive scandal unfolding.

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The number they are terrified of is 32,000.
Which is the # of Londoners killed in The Blitz.
If course they are delaying Care Home & at home deaths.

One of the most shocking things I’ve read about this report was @WorzelScummage’s account of how influenza already does this on a smaller scale in care homes.

Look at places like India and Pakistan, where people have got close to fuck all and perhaps for this reason, still manage to treat their elderly with a fuckload more respect than we manage.

We used to have similar values.

I’m not having a go at anyone that has had to put a relative in a care home. Society has changed. Contraception came in and people are no longer having big broods of kids that would have existed before and could have shared the load of caring.

We’re a bit different. My granddad has got five kids that still live nearby and a shitload of adult grandchildren that can also help out. As far as we’re concerned, he’s never going to one.

When families are only having 2.4 kids, it only takes one of them to move away to put all of the caring burden onto one person, that probably has family considerations of their own.

It’s a completely understandable decision, but I can’t help thinking it’s not the best we can do. I would much rather the dosh went into properly supporting social care within the context of a family.

Another consideration is medical need

The Ayatollah’s grandad is 97 and has been in a care home now for 6 years. Not because he was unable to look after himself in the normal sense and because there was a lack of relatives willing to help. His problem is raging diabetes and he needs 24/7 medical staff on hand to sort him out when shit gets real

Will we ever get back to families looking after the oldies ? How can we if both adults have to work these days?

Well that is a good point, and probably a good point to mention that around 70% of patients in care homes are affected by varying degrees to dementia.

It’s a hugely difficult decision, one that I think may have been made a different way had support been available.

Folk of our 40-90 generation will remember the social framework of lots of kids in a family, perhaps a couple of geriatric members that weren’t all there all the time. As a child, seemed a normal part of life.

The social framework is different these days. I’m essentially one of four. My kids are each one of two. What seems like a sound financial decision in younger life will probably lead to people being massively disadvantaged in later life.

In short, I should have got as busy as my grandparents.

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Actually the obvious point I didn’t make is that our parents will out live their parents by 20 yrs - the burden is not the same

My mother was widowed in 1990…my dad collapsed and died in the street. In the following months, living alone for the first time in her life she developed depression. At least we thought it was depression brought on by grief.
My sister, brother and myself worked full time but it soon became obvious my mother couldn’t look after herself, she had dementia which it seemed must have be covered-up by my dad.
My sister helped but my brother made endless excuses not be there when she needed help so my sister and I were her prop.
The trouble was, as is common with dementia she was a wanderer…looking for company in the neighbourhood at night. Often I would get a call from a neighbour saying she was wandering up and down the street at 9.30 in the evening and later. I’d get in the car to go and find her. When I was at work in the day, I’d be wondering what was happening. It couldn’t go on like that…was she lighting the gas hob and boiling the electric kettle? Would I get a call to say she’s burnt the house down.
The reality is there isn’t another option when all resources are exhausted…she had to go into a rest home for her own safety…and that of the community. In practical terms it’s an easy solution…in emotional terms, the worst you’ll ever have to make.

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Mum passed away last year, she was almost begging to be allowed to go at the end- Dementia.
My Brother decided to move in with her some years before. He knew ā€œthe costā€ but built an extension for her & with increasing outside help, went through hell.
I was stuck in the sandpit, unable to help as my latter years were spent being screwed over & never making enough trips.
She passed away in Hispital with my Sister by her side. All she wanted was to leave us from her home.
My Brother is a hero, what he, his (2nd) wife & young kid went through in order to keep her out of a home.
Think I’d ask someone to fly me to Dignitas rather than put myself & family through that.
Care homes should NOT be For Profit. Yes, some are very very good. Some are not. And some are a disgrace

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I get that, although perhaps not to the extent you do, which is why I’ve not been in strident twat mode about it.

I was just having a conversation with Gingora, whose granddad had actually made this decision for himself, should it ever be necessary. He had been squirrelling money away for years to cover just this eventuality.

Pretty much the same thing had him signing his own care home admission. He’d forgotten he’d put toast on, and the kitchen was on fire.

Her dad and his siblings visited a lot, and even though his memories were completely out of order, and he often wouldn’t know who the fuck they were, he maintained his lifelong cheer and verve regardless of what decade he thought it was, and I know they’re all grateful to have had that part of him.

She also told me about a scheme that is running in the city, where the burden is officially shared by family members and people from the scheme.

I hope you and your siblings got plenty of the same levity on your visits to your mum.

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The man is generally a prick, but here is also a good summation of the crisis…

Blimey. Bazza HAS been busy…