Amazing banter from Fatso , really clever swearing. It’s so much better than a clever or witty put down .
Doubt he was worried about being witty… just telling it like it is. Such are the ways of life…behave like a cunt, have attitudes like a cunt and well, dont be too surprized to be called a cunt. Walks like a duck, goes quack etc…
I said it after the original trial over on tsw, I was never convinced by the case for prosecution. For the jury to reach the original decision with the facts before them, they either didn’t understand the facts or didn’t understand the law.
Evans is an odious cunt, of that there is no doubt. But he is not guilty of rape. Saying that doesn’t besmirch the girl in question. She had sex. That’s fine, to be encouraged, even.
I do think permanent anonymity should be given to both parties in question for cases such as this where one is tried by media before any court trial (even if you aren’t a famous footballer).
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Originally posted by @Verbal
Looking at it, they seem to have developed quite slowly since the papnishment.
It seems more like a vanity project for Brum-boy Brian than anything else, and it’s way too friendly and cliquey. They have no edge. I saw CB Fry posted over there under a light disguise and was effectively driven out after he embarrassed youknowho (a reminder of what usually happens with post-revolutionary forums). I know CB has gone a bit mainstream but without critical-snarky voices like his, plus the right-wing planks we have on here, it’s never going to be that much fun.
Originally posted by @pap
Originally posted by @Verbal
Looking at it, they seem to have developed quite slowly since the papnishment.
It seems more like a vanity project for Brum-boy Brian than anything else, and it’s way too friendly and cliquey. They have no edge. I saw CB Fry posted over there under a light disguise and was effectively driven out after he embarrassed youknowho (a reminder of what usually happens with post-revolutionary forums). I know CB has gone a bit mainstream but without critical-snarky voices like his, plus the right-wing planks we have on here, it’s never going to be that much fun.
I had almost forgotten what a massive fucking cunt Verbal is. Cheers pap.
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Originally posted by @Lord-Duckhunter
The simple fact is that previous sexual behaviour is admissible in court in exceptional circumstances. The judge would have deemed it so on this occasion & then left it to his peers to judge him.
FWIW The article I read this morning said that: “Evidence of previous sexual history can be allowed where the issue is one of consent; the behaviour to which the evidence relates to is either alleged to have taken place at or about the same time as the alleged offence; or is so similar to the complainant’s behaviour at that time that it cannot reasonably by explained as coincidence”.
I have seen other articles suggesting that she engaged in very similar activities in the month prior to the alleged offence and again in the month following it. They say the issue at stake and considered by the Court was the manner of consent given, not the acts themselves she engaged in.
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You say that, but what do we know. We’re just a pair of edgeless wonders. pap? Bap, more like, and a particularly round one at that. Sphereboy would probably be a better moniker for your edgeless status. Goats are far too edgy. They have horns that prick and a relentless charge that’ll knock even the loftiest twats off their perch (over the edge, if you will).
You’re not at all like that. Neither am I.
I suppose we’ll just have to roll on.
Are you back slapping about being backslappers?
Postmodern circle-jerking.
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Northumbria police and crime commissioner Ms Baird, said “The only difference between a clear conviction of Mr Evans in 2012 and the absolute refusal of him having leave to appeal at that time, and his aquittal now, is that he has called some men to throw discredit on the womans sexual reputation. We’ve gone back 30 years.”
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Just catching up with this thread Cherts. A right slag? What does that make Evans and his mate? It is 2016 and most people (I think) have come around to the attitude that enjoying sex is not the sole preserve of the male gender and that, hey, woman enjoy it too. For years woman fought for the right to be treated the same. Why is it ok for a bloke to have multiple sexual partners and not a woman? The one in question not only had a partner but has a child with her. Sadly there isnt a term for a male slag (I wonder why that is?) but surely his behaviour went beyond that of being a slag? The law was changed so that a woman’s sexual history could not be referred to in court. The reason being of course is that the offence in question should stand or fall on its own merits. Society even accepts that prostitutes can be raped. He was originally denied a retrial for a very good reason. It really doesnt matter what happened with these other men. What matters is what happened on that night with Evans.
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As I am sure you are aware, when Ennis and others “hounded” this man he had been found guilty of rape. He was a convicted rapist, full stop. He is not now. He was then.
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Question; when we’re talking about this woman’s ‘sexual history’ are we talking about the fact she’s had a lot of previous sexual partners or are we talking about the (possible) fact that she may have actively sought out footballers with the intention of bedding them?
Now, I’m not sure about this, but I’ve heard that apparently she sent a text to her friend the night she went back with them saying “when I win, I win big” which was omitted as evidence from the original trial. (Please correct me if I’m wrong).
If (and its a big if), both of the above were definitely the case, I’d say that there _is _some relevance there - in that it does make the possibility of her being a victim of rape slightly less likely. Certianly not impossible, but less likely, and therefore I think if its the case its fair for the defence to take it into account.
Given up trying to have a sensible discussion on this subject, over on the darkside then SOG ? 
I see Lord D’s been in full flow over there today, more than on here.
I wouldn’t let him wind you up mate … it’s what he’s after.
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My old boss at the CPS posted this on FB which is worth a read.
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Originally posted by @MrTrampoline
Question; when we’re talking about this woman’s ‘sexual history’ are we talking about the fact she’s had a lot of previous sexual partners or are we talking about the (possible) fact that she may have actively sought out footballers with the intention of bedding them?
Now, I’m not sure about this, but I’ve heard that apparently she sent a text to her friend the night she went back with them saying “when I win, I win big” which was omitted as evidence from the original trial. (Please correct me if I’m wrong).
If (and its a big if), both of the above were definitely the case, I’d say that there _is _some relevance there - in that it does make the possibility of her being a victim of rape slightly less likely. Certianly not impossible, but less likely, and therefore I think if its the case its fair for the defence to take it into account.
I am not sure she went out of her way to find footballers. Evans turned up later under his own steam and the other guy meet her later in the evening when she was supposed to be very drunk (or out of it via a spiked drink) and probably had no idea who he was. What would she have “won.” She certainly wouldn’t have made any money out of the evening and there were no bragging rights because apparently she had no idea what happened. I actually thought that this was going to be the new evidence they were talking about but it appears that no one thought it was a big deal.
It all seems to revolve around her supposedly saying to two others “fuck me harder” which is what she is supposed to have said to Evans too. The prosecution made the point that this “new” evidence seems to have come about after £50k was put up on offer for help in overturning the verdict after his conviction. Make of that what you will.
If the verdict really has been reversed entirely due to the fact two men have come forward and said that she told them to ‘fuck her harder’, then I must admit I find that baffling. You’ll forgive me if I suspend judgement on this one as I have to kind of assume that there simply must be more to it.
That was the new evidence and the fact that on appeal it was decided that they could use the victims previous sexual history to be used as evidence in court. There is a great deal of debate going on now about whether that decision was the correct one. It was obviosuly enough to convince this jury that they couldnt be sure that he committed rape.
Pretty staggering. I mean, is that for certain? I just can’t shake the scepticism that other facts might have been brought to light. Things like texts sent to friends could surely be kept under wraps for her friends’ confidentiality or something?
Its just very hard to believe that on that alone, the jury has reversed the decision. Personally I just have to admit that I don’t know and go with the court’s verdict. Pretty horrid case either way.
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An interesting read SOG
Unfortunately it won’t get in the way of the media / peoples’ ill informed speculation or hatred.
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