Jesus wept. Our caped crusader is now posting Breitbart articles. Just change your avatar to a swastika and be done with it.
Some interesting alternate takes on this whole issue have been bouncing off the walls of Chez Phil this past week or so. With Mrs D_P being Polish and now having an extended family over there it has been really difficult reading a lot of their Social Media posts,
As a generalisation, much of the former âEastern Blocâ nations completely missed the initial âImmigrationâ and âMulticulturalismâ that we saw in the 60âs and 70âs. Sure there are now some Indian Restaurants or Thai Massage places to be seen but in general, Poland especially has remained a staunch Catholic Nation.
They now have very real fears that the possible influx of refugees will impact on their culture. They are making (actually to them what seem sensible statements) such as âcome to our country but we are Christian and no you cannot have Sharia lawsâ.
In their ignorance they echo Putinâs words in a much maligned speech recently about immigration into Russia, they seem at first sight to be outright racist, when in fact they are very worried and they simply do not have the âRace Relationsâ infrastructure or soundbites coming out.
In some ways it would be simplistic to see these views as almost EDL like, but they arenât. They would welcome refugees but nobody is stupid enough to go there at the moment. But it will not take much for somebody to rise up and start spouting hatred in any of those Eastern Nations. Another unforseen consequence I guess, insignificant at this time but.
Can I suggest we put the subject header in quote marks, so itâs clear its not a statement from one of us? Frankly, it repulses me every time I see the statement.
Germany has such a more modern and progressive outlook
Suggestion noted and implemented. This topic has just moved too fast.
And thatâs a good thing?
Originally posted by @jet-sounds
Originally posted by @Coxford_lou
Can I suggest we put the subject header in quote marks, so itâs clear its not a statement from one of us? Frankly, it repulses me every time I see the statement.
Maybe you should open your eyes and see it for what it isâŚitâs a âswarmâ.
Chattinâ brown
Originally posted by @jet-sounds
Originally posted by @TedMaul
Germany has such a more modern and progressive outlook
And thatâs a good thing?
Exactly, Jet. No good ever came from being progressive.
Originally posted by @jet-sounds
Maybe you should open your eyes and see it for what it isâŚitâs a âswarmâ.
First of all, fair play to you for being brave enough to offer a competing opinion. If it means anything to you, I think we need more of them, and my mission here is to provide an environment where people can say what they like without being attacked.
That said, I think we need to put this âswarmâ in context. An appropriate metaphor might be someone that takes to a beehive with a flamethrower, killing a good deal of the bees inside and making it unlivable for any that survive. They might complain of a swarm afterward, but where would your sympathies lie in that situation?
Originally posted by @pap
First of all, fair play to you for being brave enough to offer a competing opinion. If it means anything to you, I think we need more of them, and my mission here is to provide an environment where people can say what they like without being attacked.
<enthusiastic nod>
Knock the right on hippy bullshit on the head, pap. Yes, debate is healthy and good and having different views shared is welcomeâŚbut Jet Sounds hasnât discussed anything or offered any opinions. He has just made one line sneering comments without justifying or explaining anything.
Originally posted by @Fatso
Knock the right on hippy bullshit on the head, pap. Yes, debate is healthy and good and having different views shared is welcomeâŚbut Jet Sounds hasnât discussed anything or offered any opinions. He has just made one line sneering comments without justifying or explaining anything.
Agreed.
But perhaps, given the chance, he might feel able to expand on his views.
Whereas at the moment, Fatso, all youâve contributed to the debate with Jets Sounds is a one line sarcastic comment without justifying or explaining anything.
Unless you actually believe thatâŚNo good ever came from being progressive.
I still think Swarm is good word choice! It implies numbers, it implies a collective goal or destination, it implies a degree of urgency. I dunno why pap thinks itâs bees. Cameron didnât say bees, itâs only bees if youâre talking bout bees. I think you bros need new dictionaries.
And besides, if anyone can do the hippy shit, itâs me. Iâve put the time in; the awful awful Liam Gallagher stage, hair getting caught in food/car doors etc. Also, getting called âmadamâ. Donât you dare impinge on my right to spread peace and love Iâve done the length, mush!
I believe Fatso was one of the people that suggested Sotonians becoming a fluffy cuddly echo chamber might be A Bad Thing.
Originally posted by @Fatso
Knock the right on hippy bullshit on the head, pap. Yes, debate is healthy and good and having different views shared is welcomeâŚbut Jet Sounds hasnât discussed anything or offered any opinions. He has just made one line sneering comments without justifying or explaining anything.
Fair comment Fatso, maybe I havenât contributed too much to the debate or offered any opinionsâŚI canât express things in context or as well as most posters on here, as well as youâŚwhy should we welcome these people?, stay and fight in your own countryâŚthe Arab states arenât falling over themselves to take them inâŚand what are the possibilities of a Trojan Horse Scenario?
OkâŚI think we should accept refugees because these are people who are fleeing their homeland because of a well founded fear that theyâll be killed or tortured and whose lives have been turned upside down through no real fault of their own. I think that Britain should accept refugees as itâs the morally correct thing to do. I donât think telling them to stay and fight is sensible, realistic or helpful. I think that we have helped cause many of the problems and therefore have even more responsibility to accept them.
Originally posted by @jet-sounds
Fair comment Fatso, maybe I havenât contributed too much to the debate or offered any opinionsâŚI canât express things in context or as well as most posters on here, as well as youâŚwhy should we welcome these people?, stay and fight in your own countryâŚthe Arab states arenât falling over themselves to take them inâŚand what are the possibilities of a Trojan Horse Scenario?
On reading this, Iâm reminded of Bill Hicksâ âItâs just a rideâ signoff, particularly his assertion that it ultimately comes down to fear or love.
The âfearâ position involves being a frightened little oik for the rest of your days, spinning endless and needless brain cycles worrying about shit. The Trojan Horse theory youâre floating would be an example of living your life in fear.
Taking people on that need your help is an example of living your life in love. Sounds very airy-fairy, but it works for me.
Originally posted by @Fatso
OkâŚI think we should accept refugees because these are people who are fleeing their homeland because of a well founded fear that theyâll be killed or tortured and whose lives have been turned upside down through no real fault of their own. I think that Britain should accept refugees as itâs the morally correct thing to do. I donât think telling them to stay and fight is sensible, realistic or helpful. I think that we have helped cause many of the problems and therefore have even more responsibility to accept them.
Iâm not saying your wrong, itâs just not MY point of viewâŚIâm maybe a little more cynical
Originally posted by @pap
Originally posted by @jet-sounds
Fair comment Fatso, maybe I havenât contributed too much to the debate or offered any opinionsâŚI canât express things in context or as well as most posters on here, as well as youâŚwhy should we welcome these people?, stay and fight in your own countryâŚthe Arab states arenât falling over themselves to take them inâŚand what are the possibilities of a Trojan Horse Scenario?
On reading this, Iâm reminded of Bill Hicksâ âItâs just a rideâ signoff, particularly his assertion that it ultimately comes down to fear or love.
The âfearâ position involves being a frightened little oik for the rest of your days, spinning endless and needless brain cycles worrying about shit. The Trojan Horse theory youâre floating would be an example of living your life in fear.
Taking people on that need your help is an example of living your life in love. Sounds very airy-fairy, but it works for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgzQuE1pR1w
Very nice pap, but youâre an intelligent fellow, and you know in reality that lifeâs not like that, nor will it ever be.
Iâm not what your point of view is as you still havenât really explained it. Youâve shown a video that someone else has made without really saying anything about the content of that video. Youâve said that youâre cynical, but I donât know what youâre cynical about. So far, all I know is that you think this refugee movement is some sort of Trojan horse plot, that other Middle a Eastern countries arenât taking refugees and that Syrians should stay and fight (your video clip shows a destroyed Syrian cityâŚare you really saying they should stay there and fight?)
Do you deny there are Syrian refugees moving in their millions? If you accept that they exist, do you think we should accept them? If not, why not?