:Brexit: Brexit - The Aftermath

This is the pre-curser to them blocking the Pfizer exports to the UK.

Paging MOT, paging MOT…

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It’s not the first though, is it?

As I said before, Greece was the turning point for me. I heard someone from Syriza speak at a lefty conference in 2014. The Greeks were genuinely asking “are they (the EU) trying to kill us?”.

I’ve been posting on forums for a decade, so if anyone wants to see the spectacle of pro-European pap, head off to the Other Place. Why wouldn’t I be? Thanks to “EU money”, the city I live in has been transformed. That money created the digital sector in this city. I was a fan.

Greece was collective punishment, pure and simple. With that, and the way Ireland was treated for voting no to Lisbon, the mask slipped and never returned.

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If you read to the bottom of that ad ridden article you would see this bit…

Britain will not be exempt, although donations to OVAX, designed for poorer countries, will be, as will a number of EU neighbours including Norway, Switzerland and those of the western Balkans and North Africa.

The new guidelines state drugmakers will have to request export authorisation in the EU country where the vaccine is manufactured.

The country in question would then have to consult with Brussels to come to a decision in two working days.

Pfizer’s plant in Belgium, which makes vaccines for Britain and Canada, had already told the Commission of a planned export.

So basically all Europen nieghbours will not have the export of vaccines (made in the EU) to them blocked except the U of K…

Petty, small minded, getting their own back, you decide

Perhaps the European neighbours who will not have the export of vaccines (made in the EU) blocked, haven’t been quietly banning the exports of medicines, including coronavirus treatments, more than 100 since March last year. Because they are for UK patients only. Perhaps they were listening to Michael Gove yesterday when he said,“The first and most important thing is that the supply schedule agreed with the UK based pharmaceutical giants is honoured so the domestic roll out can be delivered before neighbouring nations are aided”.
He is refusing to export any British made vaccine until we have all had our dose. How does this differ from what the EU are threatening to do?The EU ‘threatening’ to do what we have been ‘doing’ for 10 months is heinous, but somehow our stance is fine? There’s an awful lot of rank hypocrisy and gaslighting going on out there, it’s like a re-run of the Brexit campaign.It’s done, we’ve left. Just look at the headlines in our press. ‘Another Shot In The Arm For Britain’, ‘EU What?’, ‘Union Vac!’, (think that one was from pap’s bible of choice), ‘No, EU Can’t Have Our Jabs!’. A national embarrassment.
One things for sure, if it carries on like this we will all go to hell in a handcart. The only way this virus can be controlled, never mind defeated, is if countries work together. As a nation we are doing ourselves no favours in the long run, in the post Brexit world by carrying on in this vein, the gratuitous insults and flag waving, it won’t end well, it will be remembered. The first 4 million UK vaccinations were manufactured in the EU… Will we be returning the ventilators donated by Germany to get us out of the shit back in late Spring? All the jeering at Germany when people are dying in their thousands, it’s sickening and hypocritical. What short memories people have.
The EU v AZ spat has got nothing to do with the UK, it’s a contractual dispute between the EU and AZ. It will all come out in the wash, but it has a nasty smell to it, I hope AZ and the UK government have got all their ducks lined up in a row because the EU clearly intend to get to the bottom of what went on.
Personally i suspect the company came under intense pressure from a government that were desperately in need of something positive to shout about. We are where we are because of the criminal incompetence by this government from the start of the pandemic, which has left us in the situation of the vaccine being the only thing left in the toolbox.

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I posted on the Virus thread, very qualified corporate lawyer types have gone over the AZ EU contract.
They are watertight and use legally defined terms.
Just because Karen the legal intern in Brussels doesn’t understand best efforts is irrelevant, it is not something to argue about in a courtroom.
Hence the pitiful and public attempts at “warfare”

They screwed up.

We shall see.

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AZ market portfolio to 300 mil in EU at higher prices that the 65mil folks in UK… Private company will determine how it supplies it customers…

I’m sorry, but anyone who thinks the EU will have “Karen the legal intern” on the case has to be deluded.

Was that for Phil?

Nothalf is correct… no way there is some inexperienced team working on this… you need to realise that your experience with a few idiots is not reflective of the rest of the world…

Anyone. The suggestion is risible.

Aye but I was not suggesting it :relaxed:

The contract was ready to be signed in May. Germany wanted to sign with a manufacturer who would make in Germany. Macron wanted a contract with a manufacturer who would make in France.
They withered.
The UK pumped in funds and more importantly took on any liability. The EU rewrote that contract to push the liability back on the manufacturer.
So simple terms the 2 are different. The Corp legal teams of all jab makers had to keep pushing back on clauses the EU wanted to include. Hence some portion of the delays.

EU cannot go to court on this they would lose & the Political fallout would be immense possibly fatal.

This is simply now a political fight AND a face saving exercise, less than a month after gloating and rubbing UK’s face in the dirt.

EU dare not lose it. UK (if they had the brains) can keep yanking their chains.

"Gloating and rubbing the UK’s face in the dirt’ You got evidence of that?

Yes you would.
But if it was Counsel advising the EU at this moment they would have refused point blank to allow them to publish the contract as it breaches non disclosure.
Counsel would have told the EU what Best Efforts meant.
Counsel would have advocated negotiations
But EU went against anything they would have been advised to do.
So yeah, Karen.

My sources are simply ordering more cook at home Popcorn to watch the hole get bigger

I do think you need to read that article and realise it is like comparing apples and pears, 2 completely different things.

We are restricting the export of drugs placed in the UK market for the UK market, if a drug is manufactured here for another market it is not restricted.

The EU is restricting the AZ drug that is produced in Belgium, for the UK, being sent to the UK.
Export of drugs that

Surely all of the EU’s citizens voted for it, Bob!

Could you imagine the uproar if say, this kind of decision was being made by political has-beens like Kinnock or Mandelson?

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EU stop export of 3.5m doses of Pfizer vaccine to UK.

UK to stop export of 400m doses of AZ vaccine to Europe and “lean” on their European operations?

This is going to get messy.

I agree with @Polski_Filip
I asked the opinion of my b-i-l who is a partner in a magic circle London law firm. Quoted from his answer “I think that “best reasonable”‘wouldn’t entail breaking a binding contact with the UK who provided initial funding”