All about timing though isn’t it? I’m sure Corbyn’s position now can only be stronger than it was a few weeks ago, what with Bozza committing high treason and all 
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I think we are going to end up with a second referendum with shit deal or remain on it
You think Labour are about to win an election then?
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I’d say that’s probably Cummings plan(pfeffel has no input in ideas or decisions). Then watch how dirty the lies get(with willing msm doing their bit).
Still, look to the positives. No tory conference. That’ll save a lot of blushes.
Tbf I bet Corbyn cant wait to get away from his one
Nah, he went down a storm(msm are not honest) and got the democratic agreement on the most important point. He’s fine.
The timing is interesting though. Almost pre agreed(remember Cummings).
If it stops the bonfire of red tape psychos i’ll be happy, but there’s still a way to go. You only have to look at the loony tunes bollocks spaffer Johnson has been coming out with in America.
Looks like Europe will be getting free sick days* for getting off your tits, are we sure this is the right time to be leaving?
*Ok this is a big assumption but surely the next logical step?
Well my company is fucked then - addled little bastards will add Tuesday and Wednesday nights to the let’s get shitfaced planner
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This is how fucked up things are. I’m relying on a British Prime Minister to break the law enough to get us out on October 31st.
If he does, the terrifying precedent of a Prime Minister openly breaking the law will be established.
If he doesn’t, and we somehow extend, then democracy in this country is fucked.
We need a PM to break the law to deliver a direct democratic result.
That is how fucked up things are, and people can blame Boris as much as they like. Parliament as a whole has contrived this clusterfuck.
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Your clusterfuck paradox scenario only holds ‘true’ because you believe that democracy has a cut off date - this arbitrary deadline of October 31st, as if if we don’t leave on that day we will either all burn in hell or the world will implode… because this is what many hard brexiteers have been shouting will happen so ordinary rational brexiteers get all bothered and angry that their democratic rights have been ignored for too long… blah blah…
Of course it all depends on what you call democratic, but lets assume we need to leave the EU to uphold those principles - good agreed. But when did common sense ego out the window? We seem happy to spend 5 years plus on public consultation on building new fucking runway, or HS2, yet seem impatient when presented with something with much more far reaching consequences… we need to take the fucking emotive hyperbole about ‘death of democracy’ out of the discussion and focus on getting the right exit agreement - that does not fuck up the fragile peace in NI, is true to the principles of Brexit, yet gives our economy a good chance of stability… and avoids us needing to take what we can get form the yanks at any costs
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I was going to say you’re equating apples with oranges, but having reflected on your post, I actually don’t think you are. You’re looking at the same things at different scales.
HS2 is shit for the same reasons the EU is shit. It’s all about the money. These people are paid by the hour, the outside consultants often at exorbitant rates, often for doing nothing.
It’s a question of scale. With HS2, voters can say “fuck off, it’s a waste of money. Get out Tories and anyone focused on getting more shit into London”.
There is no means for European citizens to get something other than the Fourth Railway Package, unless their appointed executive wants it so.
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The point remains, that we seem patient with examining the issues and then coming to decision without being forcibly rushed into it for some of the ‘Big projects’, yet seem to be ‘forced’ in making rapid decision on deal or no deal by those shouting loudest (who happen to be those with something to gain personally from it) - what is wrong with a period of calm reflection and constructive dialogue free from emotional hyperbole and dishonest cunts just after a fast buck
Well this is where we do differ… for me its always been more important what decisions are made, as opposed to by whom, where or under what circumstances… democracy is pointless if it only delivers shit, even if the majority want it… we exist in period of nearly 45 years of under investment on services and infrastructure because those we voted democratically for have decided to avoid investment and give tax breaks as vote winners…
…there was me thinking we elected reps to make sensible and good decisions, even if unpopular… so what have we as citizens gained for our recent local democracy? fuck all… is what, because our ‘democracy’ has nothing to with what is best for the people, but all to do with what will get someone elected… so forgive me if I place little faith in it, or don’t see it as sacrosanct as others do.
The Fourth Railway Package is a really bad idea. It essentially makes the most failed rail system on the continent, ours, and making it the continent norm. It’s another sad example of the UK’s influence in Europe.
Everybody knows that trains are basically unplayable at present as reliable things, and that is down to some dreadful UK policy taken on at continental scale. Did no-one tell the EU that the only way our rail network even works is because we’ve socialised the loss-making part of this operation. So much for rules on state aid! 
I can vote for politicians like Jeremy Corbyn knowing that they want to overturn this disgraceful example, but his ideas will be illegal to implement if the provisions of the Fourth Railway Package pass into continent-wide law.
Much of Labour’s 2017 manifesto may have been illegal under “superior” EU law.
You see we only ever hear about all the ‘bad’ laws or EU legislation that ‘interferes’ with domestic will, but what of the good stuff… Just think when we leave we can vote in the death penalty if we want…
Sure, but I’m relatively convinced that’s not what will be on offer in a manifesto. Maybe UKIP’s. If they moderate a bit.
I think the point is that all points are up for legitimate democratic discourse, and under the EU, they’re not. I can’t legitimately argue that United Utilities aren’t really farmers, and shouldn’t receive CAP subsidies, because I have no direct control over the Common Agricultural Policy.
It’s a farce which needs to be addressed. but it’s baked in.
There is nothing I can effectively do as a British voter to get a fairly self-evident truth, no direct mechanism to address this problem, no accountability.
That really is the problem, and one of the EU’s own articles is that power should to be as local and accountable as possible.
I believe that.
Does the EU believe that?
That’s because we see it differently… my analogy is that the EU is a music club, with live bands or all musical genres throughout the week. The club was set up to promote music of all types, with the revenues generated by when bigger acts play subsidising the nights when smaller acts come in that attract smaller audiences.
Now, in order to be able to plan longer term developments (they need equipment, refurbishment etc) they are only open to members who pay a fee which allows longer term planning, which gives members a discount on some acts and also as with other clubs cheaper booze… but members don’t get a say which bands play and how often, because the club knows if they did, it would probably mean less small acts getting a look in and that is not the ethos of the club, so members have to accept some of the acts will be shit, but most members accept its still worth it.
(Brexiteers seem to be acting like the club has just booked Ed fucking Sheeran for a 3 year Vegas style run 
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“(Brexiteers seem to be acting like the club has just booked Ed fucking Sheeran for a 3 year Vegas style run )”
Definite leave.
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Can you tell Truss that.
The International Trade Select Committee would like to know why she’s refusing to appear.
Angus MacNeil, chair of the committee.
“Truss has found the time to cross the Atlantic to meet with Trump administration officials, but has been unable to cross Whitehall and appear before the select committee responsible for monitoring the work of her department”.
These are the people questions and demands should be directed at. Anything else is illusion for the simple.
You edited your post to add this but that was pretty much the point I was going to make.
What happens if the club constantly books easy listening acts when all the members want is ska? What do you do then?
Leave the club and find another one that listen to you?
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Aye but the only other club nearby only plays Nashville country. To join is free, but they only do dodgy chicken on the menu… At least our club gets it right with a decent mix so you get your ska fix once every few weeks…