:brexit: Brexit - Deal or no deal

From the Corner…

Boris is unhinged.

People need to be sensible and NOT vote for conservative or labour. Watch 20 odd million mugs make the same mistake at the next election, whenever it may happen.

The nation can kill 2 birds with one stone here, rid ourselves of these two venal parties that have took the population for cunts the last 100 years and resolve the Brexit impasse by voting for parties that are not divided by the issue. Whether one is a EU shill or a leaver, there are two parties that are unambiguous in their stance.

To have both main parties in bits at the same time has never happened in my lifetime. Such an opportunity will not come around again in a very long time.

Mr Johnson is a psychopathic, lying sack of shit that has handed control to fucking Keir Starmer in 3 parliamentary days. Clearly he is ill advised and would be no use as Prime Minister post Brexit.

So if we follow that advice who do we vote for?

Change UK ? Soubry as PM - I’d rather Kim Jong Un

Liberals? Nope

Brexit Party? That isn’t even a serious consideration

The Greens ? Apart from environmental issues they are just, well, mental.

Or a new party which in all likelihood will be full of the tossers who have been turned out of or have left the tories / labour

Shoot me now

So, like the QT thing above this has appeared.

https://twitter.com/HowlandRobin/status/1169573000926191616

So, basically, the UK as a member state can Veto the extension request…my head is about to explode

That is my understanding of it.

I think Benn’s bill forces the Prime Minister to ask for an extension. We can veto our own request.

Veto power is getting removed next year.

The Brexit Secretary may be wrong on this one. I am not sure. It seems as if a country involved in A50 cannot participate in decisions relating to it.

However, the wooly bit is the veto part. A veto is applied after a decision has already been made, init.

Previously on Britain’s Next Big Fuck Up

It was a stirring week in the British Parliament as Hilary Benn, son of former Lord and de facto left leader of Britain’s opposition to of the Common Market and its successors, continued to piss on his father’s legacy and regain the hereditary lordship so cruelly denied to the one-time lordling.

This bill, expected to pass tomorrow, will do the following thing. It will force Boris Johnson to ask for a Brexit extension against the wishes of the people (the majority want out, they all want it done, as do most democratic folk that voted Remain).

This is not a done deal. Boris might end up breaking the law, giving the Met its easiest nick in history

PC Easyjob. Oi! Boris! Wake up. You are fucking nicked me old beauty.

Of course, there is always the option that Boris will just be Boris.

What what, fraternal frog-eating French fuckers. Give us an extension, you cunts.

So the extension is not certain.

People are screaming blue murder at the prospect of a Prime Minister breaking the law, mainly because he has hinted he’ll do it upfront, something all other Prime Ministers have had the good sense not to do.

“No deal is off the table!”, scream the fans of the European Union, not actually knowing what “a deal” might look like, which at the very least, would be some sort of regulatory alignment for some cross continental boon for Britons and others, but let’s face it, for all they know, it could mean sending your firstborn to be warded by Hungarian shepherds.

That last part was a joke, before anyone writes in. Ir does raise a very important question. We obviously won’t ever agree to let our kids be Hungarian shepherds, cook them goulash and shit.

But what if the best deal the EU offer isn’t good enough? The one on the table isn’t good enough - rejected three times in Parliament, utterly gives the upper hand to the EU, the backstop in perpetuity.

This is probably why product of nepotism, and overall little worm Stephen Kinnock, has swung to support it. Someone presumably had a word in his shell-like saying “Stephen, you stupid bastard. This is what we wanted all along!”

Irrespective of how you voted, I think we can all agree that we’re not going to get that much better than what is on offer now

Their deal won’t be good enough.

Now the hardcore of Remainers that still care about this sort of thing will as always, say this is the reason we should Remain.

Most of the country is, deep down, know that going out with no deal, a clean break, whatever you want to call it, is the only way out of this mess.

Pay them the £39 billion. Leave no cause for rancour, shake hands and say I hope we can work together again.

It’s just a shame no-one tried this previously. We might not be having episodes of Britain’s Next Fuck Up.

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I used to have a lot of respect for mild mannered @pap.
But now you have gone too far.
You are nothing less than a pink commie Goulashist.
Goulash and shit?
How DARE YOU insult the staple diet of Eastern Europe

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I quite like goulash.

I’m not as fond of shit. As a child, I was offered this meal “with sugar on” by several older relatives.

Thankfully, they never followed through, if sir takes my meaning :slight_smile:

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OK apology accepted, and actually you did nail it.
I’ve had 3 different groups of Americans this week, all retired and ex corporate types with full time local private tour guides.
To ensure I dont step on the locals’ toes I always introduce myself as A Brexit Refugee, and we get round to “that” conversation.
Each group has reinforced my previous experience that nobody ever bothered to explain the central tenet of the EU drive to Federalism with a core philosophy Social Democrat that is Alien to many Nations. (& the Greek tragedy).
I’m amazed that in about 10 minutes I can get them to understand the Brits wanted the Trade the movement ( with some restrictions) but not the Federalisation.
Nobody tells any of the simple stories.
You did it well just then.

Or

Dear Britain.
There is No Deal that you are going to like.
Up Yours
The EU

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The worrying thing is we’re about to set a big precedent, and a dangerous one too. I believe Boris when he says he is going to break the law, and he will, and in this instance he will be right to, in the eyes of the public at least.

This was Parliament setting terms in the manner of Austria-Hungary did against Serbia, after the European Union had negotiated similar terms. Terms one could not accept.

The worst thing is that Parliament passed a law to accept to the EU’s terms, terms the public won’t accept.

Boris is going to break the law if it goes through. What precedent will that set? Is anyone keeping count these days?

Bercow is going - next election or 31/10, whatever is soonest

You can keep your memes, @Polski_Filip! I’m doing @pap originals today.

Ta for the like.

https://twitter.com/papingu/status/1171124966789722112

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As parliament has been told to go home until mid October are they still being paid ? should they all not get there wages docked for not working?

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So Corbyn is saying that if they win the election, they will have a referendum on a credible leave option (which he won’t get), however many senior figures (McDonnell / thornberry) would campaign to remain. He himself refuses to confirm how he would campaign

Is he seriously suggested that as PM he would negotiate a good leave deal and then campaign against it in a referendum?

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My new political party. The Plebiscite Party. The fact that the plebiscite of old didn’t get much of a vote is a nice touch.

The shortened “pleb”, that I’ve heard used as an insult,is an easy one to quite proudly reclaim.

I’ve not stuck on any particular policy ideas yet, but I do have a delightful idea for a party song that’ll go down with the masses.

It goes to the tune of “If you’re happy and you know it”, with “clap your hands” replaced with “you’re a pleb!”.

Perfect fayre for this day and age.

Kick your mutt out of the house before I move in, Boris. I have my own pet massive :slight_smile:

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Talking of confused party policies, this is one I’ve never got my head around…
From the bbc,

The SNP’s ultimate objective is for an independent Scotland that is a full member of the EU.

So, they want autonomy from the UK, so they can decide on their own affairs as an independent country and their votes will make the decisions in Scotland. But, they wish to immediately cede all autonomy regarding law, the economy, or any other major area of policy by becoming part of the EU project.

That makes no sense to me whatsoever.

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Not really when you look at what Independence is actually all about… it’s NOT about wanting full autonomy,and sovereignty but about being able to make decisions (such as EU membership) independent of Westminster and that reflect what those in Scotland want as opposed to having the larger English majority determine Scotland’s future.

Having said that, the SNP would still be small fry had the Tories not consistently made decisions that screwed Scotland such as Poll tax introduction … one could almost see Thatchers strategy in action, get rid of 40 labour safe seats in a blink of an eye and make it much more difficult for any future labour majority government…

Tonight’s airport transfer lecture was Do you see similarities between the current state of the EU and the rise of extremism?
Seems our American friends crave explanations without a political slant.
They’d heard alt-right tales in UK, Nazis in Germany and Hedge Fund / Offshote Trust influencers here.
Must be a way of turning this into a neutral You Tube channel & making money spouting bullshit.
Like most politicians are.