:brexit: Brexit - Deal or no deal

JRM taking a backbench pounding.

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Johnson suffers defeat in the Commons at first time of asking. First time that’s happened since 1896.
Corbyn says happy to go for GE as soon as Bill is passed into Law to take No Deal off the table.

No deal can only be taken off the table by the EU - Macron didn’t want to extend it last time. Boris was go there say I’m here because I have to be. I don’t want it, there is no alternative because they voted everything down, I’ll be back in three months kicking the same can down the road

There is a bloody good chance the EU will say no

Not strictly true, but they could force it.
I’d put my money on them offering something last minute, but the man in power(Cummings) seems to be do everything to stop that possibility.

How’s Johnson’s majority looking? Doing a grand job the big bucket of bullshit.

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https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1169011441640325120?s=20

Are they really fucking up that bad?
Cummings=Bannon and that whole game is played with confusion.
He’s either as thick as i thought, or like Baldrick he has “a cunning plan”. Hopefully as well thought out as Baldricks.
Oh, your last post says thicker than Baldrick. Unless they want an election that they claim was forced on them. Then postpone it till early November. They can do that, can’t they?

Hammond has played a blinder losing to Boris

I’ve just read Crace. Very funny and some simple truths.

" Trust me.
No one did.
His one known talent is for lying."

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Good fun read at a time of utter political shit.

whatever happened to the public being interested in and shocked by the blatant lying and personal interests of those like Boris and JRM (and even Farage is incapable of existing without attention) - that these twats have no interest in the people or their will?

Have the ‘masses’ really become so immune to letting the establishment ‘get away with it’ (if it wasn’t for that pesky Jeremy)?

It’s like deja vu - watching the idiocracy of Trumpworld transposed to Blighty, as many good, normally rational people seem prepared to accept whatever just to get it over with… What has happened to the Stoic Britishness, the real spirit that would be patient and reflective over a decent cup of tea? Or is it that they can no longer afford the milk and Digestives?

It’s crazy isn’t it. In the now distant past a whiff of scandal and the career was fucked. We have concrete proof of Boris being racist, dishonest, blatantly lying, arranging to have someone beaten up etc and yet he became pm. Can’t get my head around it.

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Boris is the result of the law of unintended consequences - the very people in parliament who are complaining about him are the people who facilitated his arrival by playing their own political games.

Had they all worked together to get a deal, then Maybot would be still there

So May refusing to work with(or even talk to) anyone facilitated cocaine Al? Going down hill(and so very fast) from May really is a stunning achievement.
It’s been a tory problem from start to finish and Als bullshit is just opening more and more people’s eyes to the fact.
The days young still and if he opens his mouth(and let’s be honest, like trump, he just can’t stop himself) more will see the fraud that he clearly is.
Europe must be laughing their heads off.

Calm reflection and a path forward…

Tell people the truth. That Brexit will happen and stop feeding and manipulating an environment of frustration, but communicate a compelling and rational message that all things worth doing are worth doing right and waiting for.

The Government (plus the likes of Farage) has from the outset made Brexit a battle of wills with the E.U… which is at odds with the ‘desire for a good divorce settlement’ - it’s as if this divorce has been Fucked up by greedy fucking vulture lawyers when the original situation was much more amicable… with the same lawyers telling the relatives that the other side are behaving like cunts and therefore we must respond in kind…

… where has the sense of wisdom gone? After all negotiations do NOT have to be about one side getting what it wants by beating the other into submission… much better mutually beneficial results are obtained through collaborative negotiation… seeking a win-win… and if our political leaders really were interested in doing what was best for the people they would have done so… perhaps the most worrying thing about the politics of Brexit is that certain parties have managed to alter the British Voting psyche to be blind to the manipulation and self interest…

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Yeah, from this whole sorry saga that was my overriding thought this morning. But not just Europe, the whole of the world.

<sarcasm>Oh how far we have fallen from our glorious colonial past </sarcasm>

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Cocaine what?

Actually I agree that this should never been a battle of wills, however the EU has to make it painful because (and Martin Seymar has admitted as much) they want to discourage others from leaving and they have to ensure that they create a set of circumstances that makes the UKs chances of making a success of it as hard as possible

Using the divorce analogy, the UK has committed infidelity and the EU is trying to get a settlement that punishes rather than does what’s best for the kids

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Prioirities

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Lots of filibustering going on in the Lords. They’ll be busy voting on bollocks for days.