:brexit: Brexit - Deal or no deal

Yes, that’d be them. :+1:

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Yes, they learn it at Eton apparently

Yes and no. As you say after the bit i’ve quoted. it’s a set up problem and what’s happened since shows that.

Democracy(or the pretence) has just been done away with. A man with no mandate is overriding parliamentary democracy and as a certain member once said
"(it is) no longer a matter for this government to judge, it has been decided by this house, which is a higher authority”.
How did the house vote on “no deal”?

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A man with no mandate?

Give that we have never elected a pm, no pm in the history of the UK has had a mandate

This whole no mandate shit really irks me

The house voted for no deal when they passed Article 50.

I know how they voted.

They seem not to remember.

https://twitter.com/NickGarnettBBC/status/1167071636031512576?s=19

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As i posted before.
Johnson has been able to take over without facing the electorate because of the polite constitutional fiction that it is the same Conservative government continuing and nothing has changed. Yet he justifies the prorogation of parliament by the argument that it is a new government and a new Queen’s Speech is thus needed.
He doesn’t have a mandate for his actions does he?

They didn’t though did they, as proved by the vote they had on no deal and the quote i posted from the member for regression reminds us that the house is sovereign.

He has faced the electorate - he is an MP

He was then voted in by the MPs and the the Tory party

He has more validity than May or Brown (coronations) or Milliband who was elected to leader on the say so of the unions (McLusky)

That is the default option, required by British and European law. In order to prevent Brexit on that date, the UK Parliament must either revoke Article 50, for which there is at present almost certainly no majority; or pass a deal, which looks unlikely in the time available; or compel the government to seek an extension of Article 50, to which the EU must agree.

Can you explain why?
Not seeing it myself, but would like to understand why.

May wasn’t elected by anyone except MPs. Same thing for Brown, except he spent most of Blair’s time trying to get the job.

Milliband was the second choice of the PLP, the second choice of the membership but was the unions darling so got in because their block vote overwhelmed the others

Turn that on it’s head and if the Tory party has a similar mechanism where the large party donors could effectively veto the membership

What would you say to that

Judge has thrown out the injunction application to stop proroguing

1-0 to Boris

Major joining Gina Millers action

Didn’t he prorogue parliament to kill the cash for questions report?

Very interesting,(and telling) that you refer to ‘May’, ‘Brown’, ‘Milliband’ and — ‘Boris’. Is he your mate? I think we should be told.

Telling?? Little bit of conflation there. Read back on this thread and you will see I have also called him a “flag waving goon”

He is no friend of mine and certainly not my choice of PM. But if we have an election tomorrow I will vote Tory because it is the only way I can see to stop Corbyn getting his hands on the rudder.

Despite what you may think of him, one thing he has done is bring this to a head, something that has desperately needed doing for the last 3 years. What we don’t want is another 6 month delay because nothing will happen and we will be in the same place in April next year

I also used Gina’s first name and I can’t stand her

That’s the one i wasn’t getting, so thanks.
There is a process that has been agreed and as far as i know they followed that process. You might disagree with it, but that’s their choice to make.