https://twitter.com/alanjrenwick/status/1166781682625781761?s=20
And I reply with…
So what?
Words wont solvethis.liking eloquent articles wont solve this.
31st October. It happens.
Hurt the backers.
Christ it is working here in Krakow. Comarch are Polands biggest software company. They sponsor Cracovia
Krakow Wisla fans are painting fuck Comarch all over the country
Comarch are reviewing their sponsorship
There is a world of difference between a Parliamentary recess and Parliament being prorogued, as you probably know full well. Parliament is not shut down during a recess, parliamentary business carries on, questions, access to ministers etc etc. Proroguing means a complete shut down, the length of this one is pretty much unprecedented, certainly the longest since 1945, and let’s stop kidding ourselves, it is designed to evade scrutiny and avoid any debate about the no deal Brexit that Johnson and his cabal of swivel eyed right wingers, on both sides of the Atlantic, intend to impose on the country. Johnson today looking into the camera, smirking, and telling the bare faced lie that this decision has nothing to do with Brexit. An absolute affront to democracy and to the intelligence of the watching public.
Sadly i am no longer surprised to see you attempting to justify it. In the few short years i have been a member of this forum, the speed of your conversion from alleged left wing socialist, to apologist for, and therefore by logical extension supporter of the likes of assorted extreme right wingers like Johnson, Cummings,(the real architect of this strategy), Redwood, Rees Mogg, Bannon et al, has been remarkable.
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Murray put it nicely, concerning the hypocrisy.
“There is an irony here. Johnson has been able to take over without facing the electorate because of the polite constitutional fiction that it is the same Conservative government continuing and nothing has changed. Yet he justifies the prorogation of parliament by the argument that it is a new government and a new Queen’s Speech is thus needed.”
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I look forward to the resumption of business as usual.
Usually, direct democracy trumps representative democracy, especially if it is an official poll, such as a referendum.
Not unprecedented, but Parliament has sat for longer than it has since the English Civil War. It has achieved the square sum of fuck all except pass legislation it now wants to renege on.
I agree with you that Boris is lying about his reasons for the prorogation, but I say again, Parliament has spent over three years debating and what has it achieved? A situation today, where it can be prorogued, without too much actual fuss, because representative democracy has ignored, and often downright spat on, the choice the public made three years ago.
The only thing that I’ll say about any of the rogue’s gallery you wish to associate me with is this. Cummings actually went out, talked to the public, and asked what they felt about it. If other public figures had done the same, instead of telling them what they should feel, or personally attacking them, or generating mass hysteria, we would not be here.
If we’d left on the 29th March 2019, as per plan, none of this would be happening. No Brexit Party, no Boris Johnson as Prime Minster, no proroguing of Parliament in this way.
You reap what you sow my friend.
An advisory referendum.
Why advisory?
The answer to that tells you all you need to know about the outcome.
That’s why i’ve been so sure all along(unlike yourself). It couldn’t have happened otherwise and the end result was always obvious. Remember the party of “the bonfire of red tape” and the PR man.
You reap what you sow.
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Ah, we’re back at advisory vs binding, eh?
Personally, I think if you’re going to the whole electorate, then it is implicitly binding. The word “advisory” is there to get the government out of this shit if it really has to.
The 1975 referendum was advisory. IndyRef 2014 was advisory. Actually, all referendums were advisory.
No-one seemed to be arguing semantics on those.
So let’s ask a different question. What happens if Parliament ignores the advice of the public?
I’d argue that we found out one of the answers today. As bad as it is, and it is bad, it would be a hell of a lot worse if Parliament had got its way.
You would give succour and ammunition to all those people that would rather do away with democracy altogether.
What i find amazing is the fact that commentators and the like still talking about whether or not Johnson will manage to get a deal. How dumb are they? There is no intention of trying to get a deal. Any possible doubt was removed by Farage yesterday, he spelled it out. Either a clean break no deal Brexit or we will put candidates in every Conservative held constituency, and decimate the Conservative Party. As leader of the Party Johnson has no choice. What is best for the overwhelming majority of people in this country comes a very poor second, fuck them, they’ve served their purpose, There will be much chuckling in the Gentleman’s clubs in Pall Mall tonight.
Yep, it’s been obvious for a long time that the only two options are no deal or revoke. The EU are never going to agree to anything that amounts to a ‘good’ deal and it’s unlikely that Parliament could reach a consensus on one anyway.
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Lots of anger about the lost democracy and “denying the people a voice” (Swinson)
Is somewhat ironic I think.
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I thought the people had already spoken?
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Those ones don’t count cos they got the answer wrong
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Oh I see
Getting to understand it a bit better now
Thank you.
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From a poster on another forum. This is pretty much as I see it…
I really doubt the eventual outcome will be either as bad or as good as either side has claimed in the event of a No Deal. A lot of the issues we’re having with the economy and business can be explained by the fact that the government has been wringing its hands for so long in indecision, too busy backstabbing one another in Parliament to make any progress when everyone is waiting for a solid answer that they can plan their next moves around. Any of the stuff around the car manufacturing plants can be taken with a pinch of salt too - seeing as most of them are French or German owned, the latter still feeling the backlash of their emission cheating shenanigans (especially in the American markets) and using the entire thing as an easy excuse to cut back on expenses as they ride out the storm.
My prediction is that in the event of No Deal we’ll see supermarket prices rise slightly and a shortage of certain products for a very limited amount of time. The NHS will still make do on a ridiculously underfunded budget, the trains will still be late all the time and the taxi drivers will still be clueless darkies who always need to ask for your postcode for their sat nav before they have any idea about where you actually want to go.
Don’t eat the shit fed to you from either side about the glorious/apocalyptic future, keep your expectations low and you can’t be disappointed either way.
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Pretty much what I’ve been saying from day 1
Go to cunts corner and take it up with Roadkill. There are no niceties there 
Are those shouting loudest about being prorogered not the same ones who spent 3 years blocking every option available to Parliament and offering nothing up themselves?
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Is that like being rogered but by a professional?
Asking for a friend…