:brexit: Brexit - Deal or no deal

Maybe, but i think we will, precisely because of what you call London(the corporation). They’ve led the way and i don’t see them giving up.
We’ll find out one way or the other, soon enough.

As others have said… US meat is full of steroids, and we already get a ton of stuff outside the EU Potatoes from Egypt, Israel… etc, problem is those trade deals ate with etc EU, not with us… we will have to set these up if we want to avoid excessive tariffs for things we dont produce… such deals take years…

Trade deals with the US are easy to set up… they just come with increased commercial access for major US corps… as for China, they are also happy to exchange decent trade deals for visa quotas… Controls over immigration won’t be quite as autonomous as a tone of folks would like to believe…

The City want a deal, so does big business, so do the cilvil servants and 50% of the tories.

Civil servants, big business and London control the UK, we’ll get what they want.

They can’t deny the vote but they can water it down to the point of us remaining in all but name.

The real money(and power) will be adversely affected by the new EU rules, to the tune of trillions. The city and it’s power has nothing to do with business. It’s a money laundering service and 70% of all foreign exchange dollars goes through the corporation(ask yourself why). Do you think they’ll just wave bye bye to that?
I hope i’m wrong, as i’d love to see the greedy fuckers have to pay up, but i can’t see it.

They’ll find a way to circumvent that and those rules, they have before and will again, they probably help draw them up.

Here one just for you Barry. It’s up north. One bloke even mentions London and snowflakes(your dad?).

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We generally don’t get a “ton of stuff” from those countries if you go by import tariffs collected.

By far the biggest revenues are generated by clothing and footwear.

I trust that you do understand the role of import tariffs in international trade? They exist to prevent domestic production from being flooded with foreign competition.

So why are we suddenly going to be paying more for food? Why would a country looking to sell its goods to us want to make them more expensive, and thus more difficult to buy?

We don’t need to set anything up to set our own import tariffs once we leave the EU, least of all a trade deal.

You do understand that we no longer produce many of the items that folks want dont you? (arms to nice allies like Saudi excepted) You are correct, we don’t need any deals, and we wont see price hike on imported goods at all… no sirree, we will quickly reestablish ourselves a manufacturing powerhouse and producer of all we need to the quality and standards we have become used to… or we will all welcome paying more for stuff because we cant be arsed setting up deals? Maybe if we all had some of what you’re smoking we might all see the world of milk and honey in the socially egalitarian utopia you believe is coming…

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Has this been shown before?

I don’t think you need to smoke anything to realise what the use of an import tariff is.

You whack an import tariff when the imported good threatens domestic production of the same good. That is the sensible use.

The EU is doing that on behalf of individual member states - tariffs were levied on imported oranges to protect Spanish orange cultivation.

It’s also using the system as an earner. No EU member state produces coffee, therefore all coffee comes from outside the EU. There is still a tariff applied to coffee imports.

We’ll be able to set our own import tariffs outside of the EU, and unless there’s a new rainforest in Shropshire, or ideal orange growing cultivation in a tropical Isle of Wight microclimate, I think we might be doing the common sense thing and dropping import tariffs on oranges and coffee.

…Sure… but you forget that these tariffs are also there to prevent a he imbalance of trade… we wont be dropping tariffs of anything without a reciprocal agreement…

What many consumers want, we don’t produce and much of this is imported from the EU, or through the EU from EU registered companies. The alternative is to buy this in from the US and China…alternatives that we have never had much interest in because of quality issues, or in the case of the US we in effect support huge corporations that don’t give a fuck about environmental impact… the very corporations ARE the real US Government

We can buy from anyone in the world. I understand why you’d like to reduce the market to the US and China, but it’s not going to work that way. We’ll be dealing direct with a lot of producers in the third world, as we currently already do, just without the imposition of an import tariff mandated by the EU.

:heart_eyes:
https://twitter.com/graceblakeley/status/1089524957804183555

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Cars, white goods, engineered goods? third world? coffee, tea, some exotic fruits and veg, but seriously, you think we can simply get all we need/desire elsewhere without seeing increase in the cost to the consumer?

Do you seriously think we can’t?

Is the EU the only place we can buy a certain type of good? What is it that you think we can only get from the EU?

Did I tell about the carnage here?
Soimmoving to Poland.
Contacted 16 shipping companies
We had 1/3rd a container so loose cargo (slow)
EVERY Shipping co quoted loose cargo to UK then to Poland, in fact applies to every EU country from here.
10 days ago?
All stopped. Couldn’t guaranteewouldbe processed b4 Brexir
So expat are now screwed shippers running around like idiots to find new routes/partners.
On the plus side, we found a specialist freight co only dealing with Polish community.
The cost was 30% of the UK route

This might be interesting, for those invested in the subject. There’s at least 104 reasons to be worried.
https://www.hansardsociety.org.uk/blog/westminster-lens-brexit-statutory-instruments-dashboard

Breaking my self imposed exile, but thought this important.

Radio 4 debating the imposition of Martial Law post Brexshit with talking heads from the Govt and Opposition- The Government just saying they have a duty to plan for all eventualities but I’m suspicious about why, all of a sudden, the story has been put out there!!!

I’m becoming increasingly very very angry about the whole farce, so I guess they’re being prudent…

https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1089510688249339905?s=19

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We have no chance now that the Scooby Doo gang are working for the EU.
https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1090002828905480192
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