Cheers Map. You can smell your own, eh?
Jeez… are you fucking 5? You really do seem a tad deluded and narcissistic, which would explain a fucking lot. Why not take a break and just ignore me? Must be hard getting fucking owned so often…
Thank you for your continuing wisdom, Map.
It’s not hysterical, hyperbolic or obsessive at all. Not even a tad!
HOUSE!
You are so predictable 
(Go on , Ill let you have the last word as it seems to be like good medication)
Thanks again.
You’ve added much to this debate. Everyone can see.
The only issue I have are framing costs. See, I find your words so impressive I print them all out, frame them and hang them on a prominent wall.
Unfortunately I’ve run out of space on my prominent walls.
The neighbours are sharing the burden. They see the value of this information, the fine craftsmanship that you’ve used in your wordplay.
They agree with me that this national treasure should be preserved in perpetuity. Wills have already been re-written.
I’m sure that’s all on your bingo card of convenioence and you’ve yet another victory in your long and unblemished forum career.
Call house again, please. Number 242 hasn’t gotten enough of your wisdom yet.
Indeed most people can… and will see how you ignore points you simply can’t answer or that have damaged your logic… you then start adding ridiculous rubbish about Panzers and stormtroopers, yet continue to be under the deluded impression you are sharing a vast intellect… The mistake I make, and I agree its a mistake, is to let this rattle me and so go along with then tit for tat that you also prolong by never actually responding to the point originally made… The difference between you and me Pap is I know I spout mostly bollox with the odd valid point thrown in… yet judging by your inability to simply respond to a point, suggests thats enough to fuck up your argument… and yeah people can see that…
I only wished I’d read this in 2016.
It would have changed my vote, it would.
I think we should have a statue in every city to celebrate you, our British Einstein. Additionally, I think everything you write here should instantly form part of the national curriculum.
Kids should not get into University if they can’t repeat, by rote, the fascinating illumination you’ve brought to all things Brexit.
I’m actually pretty offended that all this hasn’t happened already.
This country!
This should on the Comedy Genius thread surely?
Considering there have been discussions about a transition period where fishing is still allowed, to suddenly throw the navy in from 1st January if there is no deal (which is just as much down to us as the EU) would seem to be ramping things up a bit soon wouldn’t you think? Even when we were at war with Germany there was a long period before things kicked off. At some point we and the EU are going to have to come to some arrangements about these issues. Mobilising your navy straight away doesn’t leave much else in the locker does it? Trident perhaps?
If you want to see hysterical, just take a look at the tabloids this morning. Embarrassing jingoistic, bordering on overt racist nonsense. References to ‘Little Macron’, ‘Froggies’ etc.Invoking the war and how we saved their skins, if it wasn’t for us they would all be speaking German, all the tired old tropes that will have the Paps of this world salivating… Why oh why can’t the EU realise that England demands they undermine and probably destroy their single market in order to allow us what we want. What is wrong with them? Don’t they know who we think we are!
There were many reasons why fishing quotas were first introduced, it wasn’t just about divvying up sea areas and allocation of catches. One of the main reasons was because of overfishing, some species spawned and spent their juvenile stages in the warmer waters of France and to a lesser extent Spain before heading north to UK waters. An agreement was made for them to stop fishing and catching undersized fish in these areas, (which they were perfectly entitled to do), and were compensated for this by allocating them a quota in ‘our’ sovereign waters. A sensible and pragmatic solution, most importantly it was in the long term benefit of everyone, for the common good. Of course the common good is a totally alien concept for the true believer Brexiters. Now we have some Admiral calling for British warships to impound a couple of French fishing boats if they encroach ‘our’ waters, because it would “teach them a lesson”. It doesn’t seem to have occurred to him that if we did this, within 24 hours Calais would be blockaded by French or Spanish fishing boats. Like Dominic Raab he doesn’t seem to understand that the Dover-Calais route is important for trade in this country, without it we would grind to a halt, there would be chaos. There are some very very stupid people in positions of high authority in this country.
A large proportion of UK quotas are owned by just five of the richest families in this country. The UK, alone among EU members, allowed fishing quotas to be sold to the highest bidder, more than two thirds are controlled by just 25 businesses, and more than half of those are linked to one of the biggest criminal overfishing scams ever to reach the British courts. The real losers in all of this of course, are the smaller inshore trawlers, who make up nearly 80% of the fleet but have ended up with less than 4% of the quota. All this handwringing about looking after our poor fishing industry is hypocritical bullshit. And the 80% of them know it, they were sold down the river long ago. Just about all of their catch is sold to Europe, in a no deal scenario they will still have the fish but nobody to sell it to. Some quotas have been sold by the billionaires to fishing industries in Iceland, Spain, Norway etc for hundreds of millions, making huge profits on their initial outlay. Most quotas are leased out all over the place, again making huge profits on what is, lets face it, the perfect example of the privatisation of a public resource. And of course the European countries who purchased the quotas are now facing the prospect of not being allowed to use them if the government get their way and leave without a deal. No question of compensation of course. Perfidious Albion indeed.
I don’t think people in this country are aware of how all this is being viewed in the wider world, how the reputation of this country and it’s people are being trashed. I have an elder sister who’s career took her to Switzerland when she was in her early twenties where she lived until she retired.She’s now in her mid seventies and retired to her cottage in France. She’s not at all political, conservative with a small c i would say. We talk on Whatsapp every week for about half an hour. Just about everybody she knows are aghast at whats going on in this country, they cannot believe how we have managed to be taken over by such an incompetent, uncaring of others, self serving bunch of people. She likened it to a sect. At first people were amused, then gradually becoming more and more horrified at the open corruption during the pandemic, culminating in the ridiculous jingoism and flag waving last week, the world beating UK boasting about leading the world because we were the first to approve a vaccine that we had nothing to do with creating. Likewise with the exact same behaviour over the Brexit negotiations, although people have given up on that, it’s rarely even on the TV news anymore. They just want us gone, they’ve had enough of us and the insults and double dealing. Likewise i have a good Dutch mate who i chat with sometimes, he says exactly the same thing. He put me on to a forum over there which was enlightening, i had to use Google translate of course. I would estimate that 90% of the posters just want us gone, sadly, because the Dutch and British always had a bond and I have spent many happy times there. Now we are fast being reduced to the status of a bad smell, arrogant and untrustworthy, actively disliked, the inevitable tarring with the same brush. It’s a shame.
But of course the true believers don’t care about this at all, in fact a lot of them positively revel in it, whipped up and encouraged by Johnson and his clique and most of the media. The stance they are taking should be given it’s own name, i propose Millwallism. ‘No-one likes us, we don’t care’, elevated to the status of a political philosophy.
The Danish Finance Minister was on to something three years ago with what was described as an insulting jibe by spluttering red faced UK diplomats after our negotiators tried demeaning Denmark as just a minnow, a small country. “There are two kinds of European nations. There are small nations and there are countries that have not yet realized they are small nations”.
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So basically, the French and Spanish didn’t manage their fishing stocks correctly and had to plough into UK waters.
No, suggest you read it again…
Did you miss the overfishing part?
The French and Spanish had fished out of their waters and were catching enough juvenile fish for it to be a problem in the UK. Trawling in other worse.
We all overfished… is the bit you are forgetting… without the quota system teh Franch and Spanish may well take al the juvenile fish and our waters will be barren… was teh point being made
No they hadn’t fished out their waters, but it was seen as possibly a problem in the future so the sensible thing to do was to nip it in the bud. For the common good. Did you miss the bit about the biggest criminal overfishing scam being carried out by British quota holders? But of course, in your irrational hatred, bordering on the paranoid of all things Europe,overfishing must be the fault of the French or Spanish, as is everything else.
This might be controversial, but I’m guessing that Dominic Raab does actually know that the Dover-Calais route is important to our trade. Just call it a hunch.
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Spain were fishing off the coast of Canada in the min 90s. That’s a sure sign of a country managing its domestic fish stocks well.
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I’m sure Boris’s mates who hold some quotas cant wait to sell them to those Chinese mega fleets
“Opposition parties and pro-remain groups have criticised the Brexit secretary…”
…and from the heavily pro-remain Guardian.
Quelle surprise. 