Not bad after forty years out of the game in securing independent trade deals.
Japan already concluded. Commonwealth countries keen too.
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I get more and more the feeling that the EU is trying to save face and force their diktats on us. I agree with freezing the current employment laws etc. etc. as they are now but saying we should enforce future EU law in the UK is ridiculous, has the EU tried this with Canada or the US or Australia, didn’t think so?
To be fair, Johnson’s “oven ready deal”, whilst implying a trade deal, wasn’t. It was an “oven ready withdrawal agreement” which doesn’t have the same level of pithy sell as a slogan.
BTW, i’m not trying to defend Johnson or Brexit at all - after all this is the only trade deal in history whereby two parties with an existing free trade agreement agree to dismantle that trade deal and have to decide on what barriers they want to impose on each other. We all know the decision makers and influencers saw it as an opportunity to short the £ and make a stash with some underhand shitehousery of the highest order.
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I’m sorry but i’m not having that. He said quite clearly the day before the election,“We’ve got the deal, it’s oven ready, vote Conservative tomorrow to Get Brexit Done.” How many people, apart from the craven Johnson supporters and the terminally gullible believe that what he meant was, “we have an oven ready withdrawal agreement, pop it in the oven, lets get Brexit done?” Nobody! Of course he’s trying to pretend that’s what he meant all along, he’s a pathological liar, it’s in his DNA. If he caught himself telling the truth he would immediately tell a couple of lies just to keep his hand in.
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Thing is this is international trade we already have… the issue is about the 250bn worth we do each way with the EU… for goods we SELL to them and the what we BUY from them, because they are things we want/need… Stuff we don’t really want to get from anywhere else… so no deal tariffs will see the cost of goods from the EU up by 25% or as much as 40% by the time wholesaler and retailer margins are added … its easy to say ‘well more folks will buy British, or we can get that stuff from other markets’… sure for some things, but there will be many many folks who will either feel it in there pockets, or who will need to reduce the choice they have… Oh dear, middle classes now having to pay more for their Burgundy and Roqufeur… but it will effect the less well off most… most middle classes will just up their spend, maybe save a little more, but for most it will mean cutting back, less choice. Its easy to dismiss that as insignificant, but many have become accustomed to the choice we have at a price we can afford… taking that away with a no deal, will make plenty start to question how much they really value ‘sovereignty’…
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Have a flick through this - it’s the WTO tariffs
Very little is as high as the numbers you quote
Yes some product will end up in that camp but not as much as is being made out
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Thats the rates on the import cost, you have to add the percentage multipliers of wholesaler, distributor and retail mark up after the tariff is applied. Tesco indicated that fresh goods likely to rise between 20-40%
in other news…
The price of Roquefort is going up. I feel your pain.
If we’re going to do circumstantial evidence, let’s at least remember the circumstances.
The UK was a member of the European Union. There was no agreement to leave, after four years of trying to get an agreement just to leave.
So, if on the eve of election, you think he’s talking about the deal after the deal, you’re welcome to that view.
I don’t share it, largely because I can remember the last five years.
Whatever else you throw at Boris, he got Brexit done. You can’t take that away from him, not even with an oven-ready misdirection.
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I’m not old enough to know, but having watched some of the debates preceding the 1975 referendum, in two years the only food that hadn’t gone up in price was sugar.
I think what people forget is that EU Standards can really be separated from massive agricultural subsidies, price controls and external tariffs that keep out the competition in food.
True.
Provided the farmers can afford to keep producing.
Sure you will be able to import fruit, veg & Pork from Kenya but as we found in Dubai, it doesn’t taste of anything
Thing is, the debate hasnt moved on. It is still like a kids playground, arguing over who has won.
Fact is, everyone is losing. Macron’s fish shit means everyone in France loses.
Just need to hibernate for 3 to 4 years so it all rebalances
Quite often when the food debate occurs- I have a look in the fridge to see where the fresh stuff comes from - I would say the majority is outside of the EU
And here is the thing
Currently we have to put a tariff of x on peppers from Mexico, because that is what is set by the EU
The is nothing to stop us setting the tariff at a much lower rate providing we extend it to all importers. That potentially could make the Mexican pepper cheaper than the current price we are charged for the Spanish pepper
The tariffs are what we choose - we could just say, fuck it, no tariffs on food
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Misdirection! I’ve heard it all now. It was a lie, Johnson,(unlike you, i’m not on first name terms), knew exactly how “we’ve got the deal, it’s oven ready” would be taken by the vast majority of people. He ripped the deal up anyway, as soon as the election was done, just as he promised he would to IDS, Peter Bone, Redwood etc when they started jumping up and down in the Commons complaining about it.
It hasn’t taken long for his government to prove to the EU just why they shouldn’t trust the UK further than they could throw them. Just been announced that The Dept Of Transport has relaxed enforcement of the EU drivers hours rule in England, Scotland and Wales, because they are panicking that Christmas won’t get delivered because of lorry gridlocks.EU safety standards, what safety standards? Stick them up your arse, we’re sovereign, we don’t have to go along with that sort of nonsense if we don’t want to. “Our drivers will now be free to work longer hours than EU safety rules permit”. Take out the tachos, never mind if tired drivers are tearing around our roads in charge of 40 tons of metal, what could possibly go wrong? If one of them does run up the arse of a minibus on the M6, Johnson, of course will blame the driver, roundly supported by his apologists. Especially if the driver’s foreign.
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I don’t eat cheese, it is the devils dick mould.
I think this is what many may have failed to recognise when they think that our ‘sovereignty’ is always best for our people… same as many health and safety rules, use of fertilisers and pesticides, hormones in meat, safety standards on devices and tools… we may sign up to a simple transfer of same rules enshrined in UK law … until such a time as it suits the Tory cunts to win some votes with a section of industry… we will end up like the US where industry dictates policy on safety, environment, food standards etc as opposed to what is best for us.
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I don’t think sovereignty means the same thing to a voter.
If Parliament is sovereign, then sovereignty to a voter is exercised through Parliament. I’ll be the first to admit that our choices are just as shit as the Americans and that it will be a long time before we get an actual choice again.
As crooked as the whole shambles is, we’re still governed by consent. Even with the duopoly, politicians have to respond to public concern, either by manifesto or u-turn.
For over forty years, the voter has been told that certain things were impossible due to our relationship with what is now the European Union, often pointing the finger at the same time.
That’s impossible now. You tell me having the French deciding your food policy is better than that.
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I agree that Macron’s demands are ridiculous. After having the Panzers in Paris for four years after its decades long attempt to collectively punish the Weimar Republic, you’d think they’d be a bit less uppity.
I’ve never understood why people said Brexit would hit the poorest the hardest. We’ve been forced to shop in the international equivalent of Waitrose, even if we want to buy something that you can only buy at LIDL, the international Waitrose will still take a cut.
No I am of the belief and always will be that it matters not to me where legislation is made but what the legislation is. The EU having multiple member states mean there are greater checks and balances to iron out the more extreme - the US is a great example of what happens when you believe your country is the greatest on earth and no one else has a right to influence your policy… it’s backward antiquated thinking. Just look at issues such as the environment … perhaps the single biggest challenge we face … and it’s fucked because of sovereignty- a concept that as artificial as the borders the richest and most powerful individuals created…
Nope, both Waitrose and Lidl’s Will be more expensive and have less choice.