More likely is when all those who as you suggest felt so strongly about sovereignty, feel as strongly about it when queuing for 2 hours at immigration in Spain
that will please the IRA
Guess the Internal Market Bill focused everyone’s minds a little bit
Still it might all mean shit if Monsieur Veto doesn’t stop playing silly buggers
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looking more and more like we will have a o deal brexit
So basically we’ve agreed to implement an agreement we’d agreed a year ago, and have also agreed not to break international law. This was always going to happen i think, just a negotiating tactic from Johnson, a ridiculous one too as has quickly been shown when reality bites. ‘Give us what we want and we won’t break international law’ is pretty laughable as a tactic, but par for the course from this clown. Hand over your valuables and i won’t burgle your house, just about sums it up. Same with the fishing rights, Johnson would sell the fisherman down the river without a second glance if he thought it would advantage him. It’s just one of his negotiating tactics, a ‘look over there’ to get the true believers enraged, to be ramped up or down as required. All those “honourable members” who voted last night to breach international law must be feeling a bit used today, a bit dirty.
Great fun over on the Mail website, the true believers are incandescent about “Boris’ capitulation”, surrender monkey was one expression being used. The rest of them are trying to convince each other that it’s all going according to plan. Which i think it probably is, ie there will be no deal which has been the plan all along for Johnson and co. All they are concerning themselves with is how they can escape blame, who they can deflect it on to when the inevitable problems ensue next year. Whatever happens, today’s news regarding NI means that the slogan ‘Brexit Means Brexit’ can be consigned to the bin.
Turkey is the new Spain.
People got there because they’re not getting ripped off on the Euro.
You give those people the chance of spending the peseta in Spain again and I’m sure they won’t mind a queue.
Just as they don’t in Turkey.
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There’s breaking international law and there is breaking international law.
Which is the bigger breach?
- Invading Iraq
- Trading with NI if the EU get uppity, after they’ve already put the GFA on the table as a poker chip.
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Banging on about Iraq is an irrelevence, this is about the here and now, ie Brexit. How this country is perceived in the wider world, openly showing it can’t be trusted to keep it’s word when conducting negotiations and business agreements. Only a year ago we had an election, which was based on one thing, Get Brexit Done, with an oven ready deal, ready to go. That has turned out to be a lie hasn’t it, an oven ready no deal is not what the suckers voted for is it. We were all lied to. Here’s some news just coming in. Britain’s richest man, Jim Ratcliffe, the founder of INEOS, arch Brexiter and generous benefactor of Vote Leave causes has just announced that he won’t be building his new Grenadier car in Bridgend, as he promised just a year ago, hailed by Johnson as an example of the exciting times ahead once we leave the EU, has made a short aannouncement that the new car will now be built in France, 'for business reasons. Thanks for your votes Taff, now eat cake. Of course none of this will bother Mr Ratcliffe unduly, he had the foresight to make sure he isn’t around to witness these ‘exciting times ahead’, he’s gone to live inn Monaco. We have been royally shafted by these people.
Which countries are going to look at the specifics of the internal market bill and think we’re unreasonable?
Iraq is entirely relevant to the concern you’ve posted yourself. You are putting this up as an example of why people won’t want to deal with us.
It’s nothing compared to the military campaigns in terms of perception and when that chicken comes home to roost, it’s going to be a lot more existential than favourable trade deals.
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We’ve left the European Union. This is just the trade deal. Came out of the oven at the end of January this year.
Desperate stuff.
I think it’s very easy to forget just how desperate things were when the Remainer Parliament were in force.
Just getting out was a significant hurdle, something people didn’t think possible after four years of fucking about and almost destroying the institution of democracy in this country.
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There are some great replies to that Murray tweet. I particularly liked, “The correct strategy would be to ply him with copious burgundy, foie and fellatio. Then he’ll sign anything.”
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Tbf be fair - so would I - but not from her. Well maybe if you upped the burgundy
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Oh to be a fly on the wall eh!
The Johnson’s possible opening gambit; “Is that an olive branch in my pocket, or am I just pleased to see you”. 
The tactics of the EU during these negotiations have been so bad that on this issue alone, I agree with the government.
We’ve done a poll on here a few times asking whether the EU has ever offered terms consistent with the notion of leaving the European Union.
Don’t think anyone said yes. The PM was saying much the same thing yesterday.
This hasn’t been a set of negotiations. It has been the EU trying to formulate collective punishment because we had the bare cheek to leave their shit racket.
Hidden in a BBC article about the EU talks was this bit
Meanwhile the UK has signed a free trade deal with Singapore. The agreement is broadly similar to the Southeast Asian country’s current arrangement with the EU and will cover a trade relationship worth more than £17bn.
International Trade Secretary Liz Truss is now travelling to Vietnam to conclude a trade agreement with that country.
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