Interesting. I wonder why the Leave campaign did not make sure this insight was sent to each household and displayed on posters, as opposed to ‘breaking point’ with a load of brown faces?
Because I humbly suggest most folks voting Brexit would not have really cared about any of the above. How many of the 16mil, do you feel would even be able to mention one of those 4 points as being behind their vote?
Not a great argument sadly… I think the big issue will sadly be ignored, that when we eventually get any trade deals done with the US and elsewhere, the small print that involve big compromises. Especially with the US, we will need to accept terms and conditions that in principle are no different from having to accept EU terms. NO country is immune to this, and whilst we can in theory say ‘no’ to deals that could be argued dictate UK policy, I doubt we will, and I doubt anyone will really care… ‘we got Brexit done’ will be the mantra, and fact we then get on our knees to suck off another country, will not be see as a big deal… but glorified as a great success for Boris and the Tories.
Many won’t even notice the subtle changes… maybe a reduction in packaging info on foods, a gradual shift to a less socially secure work place as in the US, as ironically look for a ‘level playing field’ (Don’t be too surprised if we end up with a 1 week notice period hire-em-fire-em working legislation)
Pap’s 4 points, are very 'Macro/geo-political, and indeed there are major issues with EU policies, but the impact of hundreds of less well known policies on individuals will be what most folks eventually start to feel… and i suggest for most it wont be classed as ‘better’…
There were a few other points of view on there not just his. Anyway wasn’t aiming to address your points.
The strong implication of your post is that the Leave vote was driven primarily by bigoted racism.
That is nonsense, for the most part. I’m sure a few dyed in the wool racists wanted us out, but overwhelmingly the motivation for the Leave vote was autonomy and self-determination. But Remain won’t have that, because they’re right and Leave were wrong. I’m getting pretty tired of seeing the same old racism card get trotted out to be honest, it didn’t wash then and it won’t wash now.
I can see why you are fed up with claims of bigoted racism Scotty, but as a remainer I get fed up with claims about sovereignty and getting our country back. We never lost our country.
To be fair to both sides there is a lot on both sides of the argument that is hyperbole, The only statements we can take as fact are what we know about the EU and the way in which it was heading, some people welcomed this some people didn’t, I was one of the one’s that didn’t.
Future predictions, such as the one @Cobham-Saint linked too are pure opinion, they may come to pass, they may not.
To be honest, the deed is done, all sides should be doing their best to make the most of it instead of bitching and moaning and recriminating…(the last is not aimed at anyone BTW)
Exactly.
Pretty much this whole shouting match of a thread is personal opinion and not fact.
Presumably because it didn’t have access to 9m of public money, like the Cameron taxpayer-funded Remain campaign did with their leaflet,
True story. You started to lose the power to vote for aspects of how this country was governed in 1973.
In the decades since, you have lost control over many more areas of policy.
If you believe that Britain is a democracy, then surely any reduction of democratic control over key issues is a loss of that country.
Right, we’ve done this poll before. We’ll do it again to see if minds have changed.
Since 2016, has the European Union presented any deal to the UK consistent with the idea of leaving the European Union
0 voters
Secret poll, so don’t be shy.
EDIT: doing this on Twitter so if you want to give me some RT love, be my guest.
“Didn’t have access to 9m of public money”.
What disingenuous hypocritical nonsense, your implication is that vote leave were operating on a shoestring compared with Remain. The leave campaign had access to millions, the largest chunk coming from very questionable sources. Between February and June 2016 they trousered more than 24 million in donations, nearly 15 million of it from just five of the UK’s richest businessmen. Over 8 million from Arron Banks, he of the questionable sources. Does anybody really believe that these people bankrolled it because Brexit would be a good thing for the average man on the street and would make them better off, improve their lives? Of course not, as always they are only interested in making a tiny minority of already fabulously wealthy individuals even wealthier. They don’t give a shit about how Brexit will affect and disrupt the lives of the overwhelming majority of people, in all sorts of ways. Most of the more vocal of them don’t even live here, they prefer to live abroad, many of them in Europe. Banks even bought himself a Maltese passport. These, of all people know what a shit storm is coming and they don’t want to be around when it does.
Sounds very much like the European Commission to me 
Nope. It’s the the government spent 9m of tax payer money on a campaign.
However or wherever Leave got its money, it never did that.
Not at all, I am asking why those CAMPAIGNING focused on immigration as opposed to such arguments presented by pap
The campaigning focused on immigration and NHS spending… one is entitled to ask why
Nottarf does it better than I could, but why not answer my questions?
Well the government lit we received presented both sides of the argument albeit, in rathe simplistic form…
As a bi-product, undoubtedly, but there is/was great deal Of benefit to many working class folks… right to travel to find better work, Workers rights that we won’t match, many EU countries have social benefits well in excess of what we provide (80% of you salary if made redundant for 6 months etc) and the EU wanted equality on such things… guess who was not having it?
The EU IS as capitalist program, so I can see why Tony Benn et al was so against it, but in the last 40 years things have changed geopolitically and macro economically … Eventually the global economic powerhouses will align and we will be left scrabbling for the scraps
Tony Benn was against it on the principle that it diluted or removed the power of the British voter to elect/remove the authorities that govern them. And in any case, I wouldn’t describe it as a specifically capitalist venture.
Decentralised Government as a principle is fair enough in an idealistic world… but it’s a concept that is outdated and unrealistic. One could argue that a far better socialist vision is one in which we are more focussed on equality than sovereignty…
Not sure the right to work in the EU was much benefit to the UK working class
I would suggest that the professional class have done much better from it