Not the same for EU working classes which is where it benefits. The fact that the UK provide an attractive proposition was more to to with the simple fact that most kids learn English as the first second language… Helps if you speak the lingo and why more professionals from UK work abroad as they tend to make an effort to learn the local language…
I’m sure this has been done before, but has there ever been a deal or no deal scenario, without going into a customs union, that doesn’t contravene the GFA?
There you have it. You have said yourself that most of the donations came from the wealthy. I am damn sure that they would not have thrown so much at the campaign if they thought that they would be worse off/
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By questions, do you mean your invitation to speculate on the internal motivations of all those that voted Leave?
If so, I think it’s pretty obvious why I didn’t answer that one. Don’t feel qualified to answer. It’s also irrelevant.
Ask some worthwhile questions and I might get around to answering them.
Could you explain why Brexit does break the GFA?
To provide appropriate context for your question, of course.
You missed the point of the question, it has nothing to do with teh motivations of those who voted leave, but with those of those who campaigned for it… why do you think their campaign focussed on Immigration and the cost the EU membership, as opposed to those macro political principles you highlighted as EU failures? This is highly relevant, but suspect you are uncomfortable with the answers…
So now you’re asking me to explain the motivations of Dominic Cummings and Nigel Farage?
Not doing that either.
What I will say is that there were two Leave campaigns and one of them didn’t touch immigration for months, deliberately focusing on the sovereignty angle, so that’s Cummings out.
So basically, you’re asking me to explain the behaviour of Nigel Farage.
brilliant
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The ride will come to an end soon enough.
“Time for bed,” said Zebedee.
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Ahh - the great European spirit of co-operation
The Eu link the covid funds to obeying their rule of law to bring into line some of these rogue members - the clause gets put through on the nod.
Poland and Hungary are wise to this and tell them to fuck off and block the entire budget
Come on Pap… why not humour me? Why not step down for second without the defensive tone and just think about the perception here.
The leave campaign as I saw it, had NO mention of the principles you mention. It was dominated by immigration and ‘mythical bus’ and yes there were elements of sovereignty, but these were designed to be quite jingoistic as opposed to describing the principles as you have? Therefore, its perfectly reasonable to ask why… after all it really is not unreasonable to suggest that this was a deliberate to appeal to the ‘little englander’ (especially in the North of England) as you have: Immigration crisis!, Money spent on EU that we could better spend here! Rules made by foreigners, not in Westminster! etc
Scripted by Dominic 'Is that a dastardly right wing cunning plan in my pocket or am I pleased to see Boris? ’ Cummings… Its not unreasonable to assume they knew exactly how to tap into the latent right winger in many, and did so with great effect. Farage was just more transparent… there best were much more subtle, but as a result much more effective.
Traditional working class labour voters in the Northern heartlands voted Brexit. I suspect you would like to believe they did so out of some deep seated left wing/Benn like principles. I am merely suggesting they did so as it appealed to their more base instincts?
Poland hasnt blocked it yet…
It is a actually interesting IF it is used intelligently.
Poland has some issues with EU regarding the national DNA of being a Catholic Country. So like the UK there are parts of WU Social Democratic engineering they dont like.
So they wave red flags (and annoy Baz)
Unfortunately while playing the game they got suckered by Kaszynski (sp) & others and lost the plot.
Now there is a lot of debate as to whether they will veto.
Polish politics makes Westminster look sane
I’m not arguing with your perception of events.
However, Vote Leave famously swerved the immigration issue and Nigel Farage. They were the ones responsible for the bus, not the breaking point poster.
Can I also ask that you do the most basic of research before claiming something. Vote Leave leaflet. Fuck all on immigration. Big on NHS and how extra control over our budget could allow us to spend more there. One of the top results on Google for “Vote Leave leaflet”
To correct you, I never mentioned the leave leaflet. I was highlighting the overall leave campaign as judged in its entirety. To suggest only ‘official’ contributions impacted on the result would be naive and disingenuous.
So instead of trying to critique my ‘research’ or otherwise, may I suggest you get a bit better at reading and stop the made up stuff?
To suggest that either of the campaigns made that much of a difference is misleading. A lot of people had long held views and were unlikely to be swayed by either campaign.
But yes, there were multiple campaigns. The official campaign ran on take back control, Farage was pilloried by all sides for his breaking point poster.
Your basic demand is nonsense. Do you actually want me to sit here and pretend I know the voting motivations of 17.4m people, break it down and tell you how many were racists.
I’ve truly got better things to do of a Monday evening, even during lockdown.
Yet here you are…
Should have qualified that. Even better things to do on Sotonians 
Jeff Taylor. Puts on a suit. Does two Brexit videos a day. Daily Mail right wing nut job, but genuinely on top of his brief.
Apparent breakthrough in talks. He reckons we’ll quietly drop the internal market bill clauses that have caused so much uproar, not necessarily an analysis I disagree with.
