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I’m sorry but it is trolling. What did you call me out on? You are refusing to distinguish between 17 million supporters of Brexit and people like Farage, Ratcliffe, Rees Mogg, Lawson etc, as if they are all equal. These people are not just Brexit supporters, they are the architects and drivers of it. Yet when push comes to shove they don’t actually want to stick around and suffer the consequences. All the bullshit they spouted about sovereignty, patriotism and the like, whipping all the anti-immigrant’s up with their not so subtle racist posters. It’s all about their own personal financial interests for them, how much did some of those who were ‘in the know’ make the other week when the pound dived for 48 hours after Johnson’s announcement about breaking international law and ripping up a legally binding agreement? They are totally self serving vultures masquerading as patriots.
People like Arron Banks, remember him? I remember you valiantly defending his honour in a post on here ages ago. The self styled Mr Brexit, who founded Leave EU, the most aggressive wing of the leave campaign. From at least two years before the referendum he gave or loaned a total of 13 million dollars to various anti-EU causes. His contributions are thought to constitute the largest amount ever donated by an individual to a political campaign. He bankrolled Farage from the start. The leave EU campaign largely focussed on stoking fears of uncontrolled immigration, rousing voters who were unmoved by the technical stuff messages of Vote Leave. A typical Leave EU post on Facebook warned voters that “immigration without assimilation equals invasion”. A post about the dangers of “free movement” within the EU was accompanied by a photograph of ticking explosives. Banks was the architect of the disgraceful poster of Farage standing in front of a sea of black faces below the headline ‘Breaking Point’, which was a blatant attempt to incite racial hatred. And it worked, people like Banks don’t spend that sort of money for nothing, they do their homework. People can hide behind words like ‘sovereignty’ but it’s still there, it means ‘immigration’. A few hours after Farage’s launch of this poster, Jo Cox MP was murdered by a far right nationalist who shouted “Britain First” as he stabbed her. Farage was pilloried everywhere and wanted to shelve the campaign, but Banks urged him to 'hold his nerve". Even after Jo Cox’s death he said, polls indicated that immigration remained the “No 1 issue, by a runaway margin”.To this day Banks maintains that there was nothing wrong with the image or it’s message. “It was a war,” he said,“anything goes”.
And where is Arron Banks now? He is now resident in New Zealand for some reason. But no worries, he has apparently purchased a passport from Malta giving him the right to roam freely in the EU.
These people, the architects and bankrollers of Brexit have absolutely no interest in how a no deal Brexit will affect the vast majority of ordinary people in this country, they don’t care, we don’t get a seconds thought. It’s about them, a tiny minority of wealthy,powerful people, who have always had their own, sometimes different, agendas, some of which are deeply unpleasant.
I have asked plenty of cult Brexit supporters,(a dwindling band admittedly the nearer we get to the end of the year), to give me some concrete examples of how they, and me will personally be better off after we crash out of the EU. I have yet to receive a clear answer. Because there aren’t any. What answers i do get always amount to the same thing. Immigration.
You’ve been played pap.
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Changing direction a bit.
Genuine question.
Where does Sotonians believe the value of the £ will be in
1 month
6 months
Against the €
Thx in advance.
Any links appreciated
Somewhere down here
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I’m calling you out on your lorry permit hysteria.
I’m calling out the tactic of presenting someone rich enough to do the offs to Monaco as somehow representative, or indeed influential, in affecting the vote.
I’m calling out the ridiculous tactic of calling 17.4m and the democrats that voted Remain as a “cult”, the exact same tactic Blairites used to attempt to discredit Corbyn.
I could play your game. I could enumerate all the various gargoyles that formed the Remain part of the vote, but it’s not worth it. It was a binary vote and you’re always going to be voting alongside people that you don’t agree with.
Frankly, I do not see what a series of stories about cunts that happened to vote Leave adds to the debate.
Not helpful.
In 10 days, 3 or 6 months?
All of the above 
So, another brit moves to Monaco & gets shit like Lewis Hamilton yet everyone loved Nigel Mansell & David Coulthard who even owns a hotel there.
Perhaps you should be checking your own EU based subsidiaries
So exchange everything next week? All £200?
To be honest @pap
You’re entrenched in your view
@Nottarf-Krap is entrenched in his view
I have my views, as do most other people
I personally think it’s time to retire this thread - from what I’ve read since coming back to the site the debate hasn’t moved on by an inch (see what I did there? )
Mind you, isn’t it funny that Brexit and the clusterfuck of issues has dropped off the mainstream media and therefore out of the consciousness of the majority with only just over 3 months to go? Makes some people wonder if Covid-19 is a God send to the architects doesn’t it?
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Difficult to say. Short term everything’s fucked because of COVID.
In mormal circumstances, the value of a currency is pretty much tied to what you can buy with it.
Invent stuff, make stuff and be a nice place to visit should be the plan.
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I couldn’t possibly say. (Insert standard gambling / investment site disclaimer here)
That is frankly a very weak response. I didn;'t call 17.4 million brexit voters a cult, i referred to cult brexit supporters, of whom there are lots of. Not all of them but a sizeable amount.
These “cunts” didn’t just happen to vote leave, just like the rest of you, they are the architects of the whole Brexit project, financing it to the tune of millions of dollars, setting and driving the agenda, paying for the adverts and poster campaigns, most of which were made up of outright fairy tales, blatant lies and misrepresentation of the facts, with some racism thrown in. To try and pretend that this is of no consequence, that these “cunts” are just the same as your everyday leave voter is beyond ridiculous.
As for the lorry permit bee in your bonnet, all i posted was the report that British lorry drivers will have to apply for a circulation permit before they are allowed into Kent, a permit to move around their own country. I made the observation that this was what they had to do in the old USSR. Which they did. That’s all.
You being you of course, immediately deflected with your poor attempt at satire , going on about burning bonfires of personal liberties, the TRUE symbol of the USSR etc. I totally understand why you do it, i detect a note of panic in your Brexit posts the nearer it gets, the clock,is ticking, not many weeks to go until the inevitable shit show. For the most strident of Brexit tub thumpers, it is going to be difficult to defend their stance. But i’m sure it will be somebody else’s fault!
It’s time to move on in general.
Deal or no deal, to get eponymous with the thread title, it’s done.
You are quite correct in assuming that @Nottarf-Krap and I are entrenched in our views.
I’m not panicked. I would suggest sir’s panic detection skills are on the blink.
The firm I work for certainly doesn’t take the view that all business is doomed, and neither do I. We’ve got the European licence for a lot of hardware from the states, and we plan to sell it.
I’ve got a much more tangible sense of panic over what’s transpired over the past six month and the government’s inability to deal with it, or it’s outright mendacity when explaining itself.
I suspect I’m not alone; Brexit right now, and all the hypotheical dystopias, is playing second fiddle to the very real things going on in our midst.
I’d also take issue with your framing of Brexit as a right wing concern. Let’s not forget that this was Labour party policy until the late 1980s, this is an outcome Tony Benn, at least in the abstact, would have appreciated.
I think he’d be quite sickened by the details. Tories boosted to power by many in his own side, his own son the face of that movement. There was a Labour leave campaign. George Galloway’s new party is all for implementing the vote.
Those in the Red Wall were not tricked. They were fucked off that they weren’t being listened to, and worse, getting called all kinds of bigots and Tories from people on their own side.
I know the feeling.
Thats the UK fucked then.
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Hmmm
BBC News - Switzerland gets ready to vote on ending free movement with EU
In centuries to come, maybe history will edge that Merkel’s cheap labour grab DID destroy the EU Project
Seems it’s the right wing trying to push the anti EU agenda - sounds familiar 
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Movement on fishing?
Prob just realised we dont actually have enough fishing boats left
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