:brexit: Brexit - Deal or no deal

Don’t EU fleets hold most of the UK licenses already?

Seem to recall a lot of UK fishermen bring happy to take the cash and run.

It just became something easy for politicians to grab hold of and easily make emotive.

It contributes little to GDP anyway so it’s an easy giveaway.

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If it was made in Japan it wasn’t made in Britain shock for Brexiters!

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And we blink first…

It’s actually not a bad compromise. Gives both sides a few years to adjust, which would include expanding the UK fleet.

True, but is there really any real desire in the UK to expand the UK fleet apart from investment chancers looking to make a quick buck before moving on?

Not only desire. Need. Most of these places are obviously coastal towns, which means they’re often cut off from major employers.

However, we’re not going to build a fishing fleet overnight, so this provision makes a lot of sense.

In other news…

Keeping to their word at least.

Tbh I’m not convinced there will be many lining up to take a job on a trawler once they know the graft they’d have to put in. (See also: the mad rush of UK citizens helping out on our farms)

The EU planning to take the UK to court…in the EU? I’m sure the irony isn’t lost on them :joy:

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:smile::smile::+1:

Well seeing as they currently have 94 active cases against us, just add it to the pile

makes you laugh. They accuse us of refusing to make concession yet when we offer a deal what do they do? Start proceedings against us for a possible threat that we may or may not activate.
Beggars belief.

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Whatever you think of Boris Johnson, I think it is inarguable that Lord David Frost (no, not that one) is doing a better job of setting out the British position than anyone during May’s era.

Some of this statements:-

May 2020

“The major obstacle to this is the EU’s insistence on including a set of novel and unbalanced proposals on the so-called “level playing field” which would bind this country to EU law or standards, or determine our domestic legal regimes, in a way that is unprecedented in Free Trade Agreements and not envisaged in the Political Declaration. As soon as the EU recognises that we will not conclude an agreement on that basis, we will be able to make progress.

“It is hard to understand why the EU insists on an ideological approach which makes it more difficult to reach a mutually beneficial agreement.
“We very much need a change in EU approach for the next Round beginning

It’s a very polite way of saying “you’re taking the piss”

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Appropriately thick as pig shit.

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And when the deal is done and the farmers are undermined due to lack of quality from the importers the Govt can now say we told you in Parliament on such and such a date.
She’s a patsy not an idiot getting the wording wrong,

Oxford educated.

Not a great advert for Oxford.

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Guess some won’t agree with this but here’s an email I received today:

Dear Kevin, Dear Fellow Europeans,

A little over 6 months ago, 147,000 of us stood together to fight for our rights as EU Citizens and to sign a petition for UK Citizens to retain EU Citizenship and Rights .

So much has happened in this short time, that we thought this would be a good moment to update you on the progress of what has now developed into a significant landmark legal case (T-252/20) “EU Citizenship is a Permanent Status ” in the European Courts of Justice (CJEU).

Thanks to your support, on April 23rd of this year, our case was submitted - and now that the Council of the EU has responded, the next step is to present our arguments to prove that we have the power to retain our rights. How we move forward from here depends on the court - though we are expecting full legal proceedings to commence from January 11th .

We don’t know the full extent of the legal costs that will be required, and it is likely that we will need to raise additional funds as this case progresses, as is normal with cases of this importance. For this reason, we have increased our fundraising goal to £150,000 for this next vital stage of the case.

If you can, please contribute to our legal costs and help us raise the funds we need to take this case to its conclusion in the CJEU:
https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/eu-citizenship-is-a-permanent-status

My thanks go to each and every one of you for your significant contributions to date, and for your help in bringing this legal challenge forward - we feel proud and honoured to represent all UK Citizens and to be defending this crucial cause for us all.

Here is some additional context on the legal proceedings:


Response to the Council

The defendant in our case, the Council of the European Union, has now responded to our application of 23 April 2020.

The council is arguing that all 66 million UK citizens (i.e. you and I) have no standing to bring this case in the Court of Justice of the European Union. What the council are essentially saying is that we have no power to stop them removing our EU Citizenship and rights. This is in stark conflict with the legal opinions received so far that no one has the power to take away our EU Citizens rights .

Our lawyers have submitted what we consider the most robust response possible to this so-called plea of inadmissibility. We also think that we should have a good chance of overcoming this hurdle based on general principles of judicial protection.

There are three possible ways forward from here: the Court agrees with us and we move forward to the substance of our case; the Court decides that our application is inadmissible, in which case we can appeal to the European Court of Justice, or the Court chooses to combine admissibility and substance.

Timescales before the CJEU are difficult to predict, even without the COVID-19 pandemic, and depend on variables such as whether the Court decides that the Council and ourselves will have another opportunity to respond to each other; and/or whether there will be a hearing before it decides on the way forward.

In addition, a number of organisations based in several European countries have applied to intervene in our case in our support. This is obviously good news as it means that our case has (already) reached a European-wide dimension.

The Court will, however, not decide on the admittance of these interveners before it has decided on the way forward with the Council’s plea.

In any event, there will probably not be any further decision before the end of this year - we will, of course, update you about any further developments in the case.


We believe that it cannot be right for politicians and bureaucrats to be able to take away the rights of citizens, without their agreement, at the mere stroke of a pen.

The legal advice we have received tells us that we can win this fight - and standing together, we may well be making legal history in the process.Please help us fight this case if you can.

Best regards,
Joshua Silver

Professor of Physics,
University of Oxford
EUCitizenship.org.uk

I would say that it wasn’t the politicians that took away EU Citizenship. It was the public, against the avowed will of the government of the time.

I know Sotonians pitches a bit middle class, Kev, but out there, for the majority, EU Citizenship is not a priority. Even before all this COVID shidazzle began, there were people that didn’t even get to go to Europe on holiday, let alone plan a retirement in Provence.

I’ve always been wary of dual citizenship anyway. It means more countries can nick ya :wink:

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Don’t disagree with any of that Pap.

An accident of birth has means I don’t have to worry about it but I do feel for others who through no fault of their own are having their EU Citizenships taken away from them and naturally are pissed off about it. Simple as that really.

We are the ones that made the decision not the government as said by Pap. I see absolutely no way how people who put there money forward for this appeal will not be wasting their time and money.
Only people making a profit will be the lawyers. Maybe a lawyer is at the helm pushing for more cash.

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Meh. Some of us did and a great many didn’t.

I’m not convinced most thought it through properly and arguably were cleverly manipulated. Anyway, it’s done and no point arguing.

Personally I think this legal action is a necessary thing. But that’s my opinion and others are free to disagree and do.