Thank you!
As is what story? I hadn’t heard of New Zealand having a high rate of salmonella cases, still less that they are forced to import chlorinated chicken. Where exactly has that been said?
If they do have an issue with salmonella, and this is caused by their own home-produced chicken, then this points to poor standards in their poultry farming and food production. But it has no relevance to US chicken production, nor to the question of whether we should welcome said product in this country.
Americans with little or no money will buy the cheapest food they can get. I seriously doubt that it will be produced by firms that do it right.
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Couple of additional points. Whether we ‘need’ a trade deal with the US or not as pap suggests is not really the issue. This Government will want one to demonstrate to the electorate it’s actually capable of delivering one, and it will spin the shit out how great a deal it is for the UK.
The US have already strongly hinted that any deal will need t on include access to our market for its agricultural and other food producers as well as the controversial elements such it’s healthcare providers… The need to demonstrate some of the Brexit promise will see us entering such deals… with the ‘masses’ being told it’s a good one for UK plc, and lapping it up whilst the details won’t be make such pleasant reading.
But let’s go back to food production and labelling. Say we manage to get better labelling included on any imported produce… great, as you say we will have a choice… but who really has that choice? Only those who already buy Tesco’s finest organic birds for £15 as opppsed to the cheapest basic range at £3.99. Yen less well off don’t really have a choice - they need to buy the cheapest, and will do so whatever piss poor production standards are masked by chlorination.
You need to be able to afford to have a choice. At least under EU regs, that ensures the welfare and production standards are some of highest in the world, irrespective of the final consumer cost.
But as indicated, it’s not just chickens, it’s hormone levels in Meat. Now I have eaten some fantastic steaks in the US - ‘high quality US prime whatever as through work have spent around 50 weeks there over last 15 years - and it tasted great. But it will have had higher hormonal and steroid levels than are currently allowed by EU.
You may argue does it matter? Is not the EU Regulation simply there as a protectionist policy rather than for any real health concern? Well answer is BOTH. Ingesting high levels of these hormones and steroids is NOT good for your health and again, I would not want to be eating this stuff everyday no matter how ‘tasty’ it might be. Also considering the price of the stuff where I was eating, it’s certainly likely to have been the highest quality, not what mr and Mrs average US was buying.
GM crops, pesticide and herbicide use… again very different standards… I could go on…
Brexit will bring more of this stuff to UK and it will be consumed most by those who have little real choice
What’s more, many UK farmers may need to adopt similar lower standards if they are to remain competitive… or try and carve a niche in the higher quality end of the market.
So yes indeed, ‘for the first time in 50 years … blah blah rhetoric bollocks… we are FREE to enter trade agreements that will reduce the standards and quality of produce available on our supermarket shelves… it will be cheaper offering the better off more choice whilst putting new competitive pressures on UK producers’… we won’t see that in the Government Propaganda videos on their twitter feed, despite it being more reflective of the future situation.
Brexit - voted for by the poor for the benefit of the rich. To paraphrase… ‘ best con the devil ever came up with was to convince folks he didn’t exist’
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You have gone on.
And on. And on.
I’m not counting any new wise people.
Maybe I do go on a bit, but its not about being wise, just stating the obvious (to those who actually give its some thought…) Your problem is you simply wont accept that there is anything that is going to be shit with Brexit… when its obvious that it will bring some shit with it. I would have more respect for your opinion if you simply admitted , that it will involve a lot of compromise but in your opinion its worth it for the sovereignty - instead you seem determined to defend anything that will come with it… which for a ‘wise’ man is rather limited of thought. In addition, i have never seen you even acknowledge that it was generally dominated by right wing factions and groups that have strived for it.
Now it may well be that your political Jesus Tony Benn once argued against the EU on socialist principles and ideals, but many folks on the left DO acknowledge that membership included some major shit and challenges to those principles, but on balance, when compared directly to the alternative if we are to be successful within a global economy and therefore able to deliver a more socially balanced society, it was an easy decision…
I would argue that most who voted reman and continue to feel that way did so with full acknowledgement of the issues and ‘shit’ that comes with the EU but the compromises where on balance worth it…
… you can whinge and bitch all you like about how Labour was split by these ‘compromisers’ but that includes 3/4s of labour voters…
… you can whinge and bitch about the northern cities turning blue, but reality is these folks no longer voted labour out of principle, just tradition, and the moment someone legitimised a vote that would see our borders shut to EU migrants they lapped it up… after all many of those cities have form with etc BNP etc… The reason Labour wont get back in for the foreseeable future has fuck all to do with its stance on Brexit, and simply because England is a right wing nation… and has been since Thatcher convinced the working classes that tax and spend was evil… The Brexit vote has simply reinforced that … legitimising all the little hidden prejudices.
Oh and you did not address any of the points in then previous post?
I’ve addressed them. For around four years. These are not new points and I don’t feel as if you’ve added anything except flashes of your own ignorance.
I would like to know what it is you think poor people presently eat in this country.
You have not addressed, them… and why debate at all if you had… yet stop when you have no answer (that is obvious to most). Poor people/average folks eat as cheaply as they can, but at the very least dont need to worry about food standards… I would have thought that was a good thing? Or are you happy they might get some cheaper food at the expense of its quality and potential UK farmers?
… sorry, but you can try an be as clever as you like… you just cant accept the rather uncomfortable truth… Brexit was driven by the right, appealed most to the right and has cemented a meaner right wing politic in England
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The rather uncomfortable truth is that poor people already eat enough shit in this country, and that food is so expensive that many can’t even afford that.
My mother often went without food so we didn’t have to. Tell that heartwarming story of EU symbolism the next time you’re chatting to the other well heeled parents at your kids’ school.
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Many in the previous generation had days without food… during the early 80s, we ate shit as you could not afford much on an army sergeant’s salary - have have gone to bed hungry Pap, but its not usually something I make a big deal over as I was one of millions/ nor is it used to try and score cheap points…
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Tell me how this has improved since Brexit? Tell me how new trade deals and trading under WTO regs will solve this, Tell me how a lurch to the right and a longer sustained right wing government will resolve this… I thought Brexit came with magic wand that after we have kicked all the foreigners out poverty would be a thing of the past?
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You chip on shoulder is making another ugly appearance when you bring up that old chestnut… always a sign you have fucked yourself over with your own argument… well done you.
We’re still in the transition period. We haven’t been able to benefit from different tariff rates across the world. Food became more expensive in 1973, and barring some brief blips, has remained so.
But that’s fine. As long as you nice middle class people get well labelled stuff, the poor can either fucking starve or scoff down that EU-approved mechanically recovered chicken.
Got to keep those feckless French cunts fed eh, and as you’ve demonstrated, it’s anyone but England for you. Why would you care?
Yep, finally you get something correct , IT IS alright for me, because I can afford to choose, not a choice my parents always had… but what the fuck has that got to do with a the simple fact that I am talking about those who cant afford to choose…they may get some things slightly cheaper, but at what cost? and by the way… your mechanically covered chicken nuggets cost more than a couple of cheaper chicken breasts, but heaven forbid if i have to criticise anyone for their choices…?
A wind up surely?.. you might want to sit down for a bit and calm down as not sure what sort of other nonsense and xenophobic shite you might spew out if you continue in this vain (wind up or not)
So why are you standing up for a system that has kept decent food unaffordable for almost fifty years?
You’re alright, Jack. Just a shame that others don’t get to live in your benevolent fantasy world.
Maybe you want to read before you respond next time
So what is it, food simply too expensive, or Tory austerity meaning inadequate social provision for those on lower incomes and in need of support? How do you make milk less expensive when Farmers get 2p a litre? Food is expensive everywhere… so teh very least we can expect is some minimum standards…
Cant you see you make yourself look like a twat with these teenage tantrum statements? If this was my thinking, do you think I would give a fuck about the implications of Brexit? you are right, it will in general have fuckall impact on my day-to-day life… but in contrast your ‘assumption’ I do give a fuck about the kind of society and community we live in… and I do not feel comfortable with the lurch to the right, and the implications this has long term for ensuring the poorest in our communities are supported and have opportunities.
No different really to buying a £3 chicken here now - what kind of 30 day existence do you think it had?
Especially when you compare that to the cost of a free range chicken from the butcher that can cost over a tenner
Nope. I see the thinking of hysteria and the selfishness of one man who’d trade people eating for the international symbolism he feels.
I’m not saying otherwise. I was answering this assertion from pap:
The quality of life for factory-farmed birds in this country will have been pretty shocking, as is the case with intensive animal and poultry farming the world over. I know full well that I have choices that many others don’t - I can, and do, buy chicken that’s free range (though that designation can be more than a little misleading).
The main issue with the US practice of chlorine-washing chicken carcasses is that it is done to cover poor hygiene standards in the slaughter and processing stage. Plus, of course, that it doesn’t even do that very well.
Where is chlorine falling down for you in the germ-killin’ arena?
Shall we stop washing salads in chlorine solution, as we do now?
If you say so… but others will make up their own minds. So maybe you want to bring up my daughter’s education again or assume I have never ‘seen’ a poor person… because your assumptions are breathtakingly naive.
So what are the bad things about Brexit, in you (humble) opinion?
Do you believe it was driven by then Right?
What cant you accept about 3/4 of labour voters being pro-remain? Ar they all stupid, misguided, or selfish? (they must be by your assumptions and POV expressed, in which case why is it OK for you to question the integrity of and intelligence of remain voters, yet not for anyone to question the integrity or intelligence off those that voted Brexit? )
Do you feel quality and food safety should be compromised for cheaper food for the ‘poor’?
Are you happy that we will enter into trade agreements with nations like the US (we will whether you feel we need to or not) who will insist we take the shit with anything good?