Nothing they’re going to do now is going to be any dafter than their decision not to stand candidates in this election.
What are they on now? Single digits.
Are they not standing candidates in this election?
I thought they were in places the tories had no hope. Almost like as company set up to defraud the people.
What’s your view on their real purpose?
Broadly? As stated. Leave the EU with a clean break. I think that’s one thing, perhaps the only thing, that brings them together.
Individually? Who the fuck knows what has been offered. If Farage ends up getting a gong shortly after a Tory victory, perhaps we’ll have an idea of what was behind a party capitulating without a fight.
I once said that if I didn’t know better, everyone was working to give Nigel Farage and the Brexit Party the best policy platform possible. Perhaps all they were there to do were swing the Conservatives to the right, getting May out in the process.
EDIT: And answering your question, they’ve dropped out of the 317 seats where the Tories got a majority last election.
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Long chat today with a mate. Got round to Brexit.
Again as we are both much travelled we agreed we have forgotten the real reasons for Brexit.
The British play Cricket. These are the RULES you must obey them.
Yet everyone else used them as templates.
A simple analogy and a simple forgetting that Germany owns Greece, Italy is bankrupt and and and.
Meanwhile British owned labour supply companies keep expanding & have work around to ship low cost labour in post Brexit
Watched a video on Twitter with a Gammon ranting about the NHS Document.
And the comments he made when looked at from afar were
May was working on a Trade Deal template prior to Brexit.
Yet the belief is Tories haven’t started yet & will be forcing no deal through.
Hmm rose/red tinted glasses? Cant have it both ways.
PS Boris is a Liar
I should laugh, but its too painful. This is another clever use of language by the Brexiteers who are happy with no deal… a no deal brexit will be anything but ‘clean’ - it will be horrendously ‘messy’ and challenging… for Brexit to be a ‘clean break’ we need a deal that minimises disruption to all institutions, to trade, to administration…
… But this spin happens all the time… clever seeding of words so that they become combined in the ‘public’ consciousness… like ‘mass’ immigration (something we have never suffered from)… We all need to be more aware of this shit and if we want to be taken seriously, avoid the trap…
What, like cliff edge Brexit?
You remind me of a yelping Welsh mate. He says that being in the EU is like being part of a conjoined twin and that’s why we can’t leave with no deal.
I point out that no parent sets out to have conjoined twins, and that it isn’t very healthy when it happens.
where have I used that analogy ? (which is shit by the way and you can tell you Welsh mate that)
I am pointing out the spin associated with attaching such words - it is planned and designed to snare and manipulate. Please tell me how a ‘no-deal’ would not cause a great deal of ‘mess’? Especially as Brexit campaigners ALL clearly stated that a deal would be teh easiest thing in the world to negotiate and our exit would be measured and with minimal disruption?
A better analogy is actually the parents marriage which is now crumbling… a divorce has been initiated. two paths ahead, behave like mature adults and collaborate on the settlement and come to amicable parting and agreement on what is BEST for the kids (citizens of EU an UK), or act stupid, fight and bitch because you dont care about the impact on on kids (selfish reasons for divorce as you have been shagging the American women/man at the office as they are up for anything and have promised even naughtier deregulated stuff when the divorce comes through)
… with one of the kids siding with the most selfish parent as they were promised all sorts good stuff post divorce,… a richness of sweeties, staying out as long as they like, softer rules etc…
Can we go for one of the kids sides with the most violent and destructive parent?
See the economic ruin of Greece, the arrest of Catalonians or the state killings or injuries in France. And that’s just recently.
So would you suggest the EU step in to manage Catalan or even Scottish independence? How the French police have dealt with internal anti-austerity protest is an internal affair not EU policy… again did the EU interfere with our poll tax riots? Had they done so, we would have told them to fuck off!
The Greek situation is a horrendous case, and I cant profess to understand the complete economic complexity of the situation… do you know it all? Could you offer a solution that would not fuck the economic institution they signed up to? Yes there are moral questions at stake, but you tend to have a very simplistic view of the world… as if global economic catastrophe is easily swept away once we get rid of such institutions… well I hope your utopian vision comes into fruition, under Trump’s compassionate global policy…
“Wah wah! The only reason we’re leaving is so that Jacob Rees Mogg and pals can’t have their tax affairs scrutinised when the new 2020 rules come in”
Whoops.
The interesting thing in that article is that over 50% of the Irish corporate tax take is “excess” ie over and above what the underlying economy could produce without the tax breaks to The tech giants
You know the phase “If you owe the bank £1m, the bank owns you, whereas if you owe the bank a £100m, you own the bank” ? Reckon that might now apply to Ireland with the techs
Deal. Agreed with Europe and voted for in Parliament just now.
Now wouldn’t it have been lovely if this had been sorted before the election?
Remainers knew best. Well,. the only piece of legislation that the public actually wanted has just gone through. Just five more years of a Tory majority to go.
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With Corbyn still trying to block it, as he could get a better deal. From the EU, who could not wait to offer us more of course, just needed to ask 
Without the “red lines” imposed by May, a very different deal could have been had.
May was a disaster. Had no business being in that job, especially at that time.
She must have had some dirt on Boris.
Maybe, but probably not if the different deal was being sought by someone who had still yet to decide if he wanted to leave at all!
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I wouldn’t argue with that, though I suspect that the one with dirt on Johnson was Gove. And May’s deal, in a slightly revamped form, is what Johnson has now put through the Commons. No backstop, but a border between NI and the rest of the EU - something that May said no British PM could ever countenance. Had she put such a deal to the Commons the ERG (including Johnson) would have voted against it. Funny old world, eh?
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May had to say that because she was being held to ransom by the DUP. Besides, I’m not certain that we’ll end up avoiding no deal. Depends on how the EU behaves in negotiations.
The backstop was always the most damaging part of May’s deal from an ERG perspective, and to be fair to them it was a ridiculous demand. May’s team didn’t seem to think it could be removed.