Not sure that is ‘most voters’ can’t see that myself - but the direction we are heading is scary nonetheless
There are some dangerous parallels. I think the biggest worry is people losing faith in democracy as a means of getting things done. We are somewhat insulated from the far right or whomever gaining power due to first past the post, a system I generally dislike.
It does stop extremist groups from becoming cogent Parliamentary forces. I think these days, AV is my preferred solution. PR might be fair, but it’s also fucking dangerous.
Just two years ago in 2017 the people voted in a general election, knowing that they were voting for a fixed term parliament until 2022.
Why do Johnson, Cummings, Rees Mogg, the government and Brexiters in general want to ‘defy the will of the people’ by forcing them to vote again, just because you think the last result was wrong?
That’s what i want to know.
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With PR you will get more small parties gaining disproportionate influence because they will be the kingmakers
Anyone happy that the DUP wielding the power they have? That will happen all the time under PR
Scorched earth policy, you call it stupid, it doesn’t change the reality, so fucking accept the reality.
We’ve had Kingmakers who wanted PR and the ones they made King were against it in 2010, the more paper thin and centrist the parties become the more hung parliaments will happen, what is wrong with coalition and a mix of views and policy anyway?
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I do hope you’re watching QT now.
So Johnson has been caught out lying again, misleading parliament as a leaked document to The Financial Times shows the government is seeking to tear up worker’s rights after Brexit. Those Labour MPs who defied the whip and voted for the liar’s so called deal need to wake up. Even May’s WA contained guarantees for minimum standards in worker’s rights, worker’s entitlements, safety at work. Johnson’s deal removed those guarantees. Why would he do that unless his government fully intend to lower standards in these areas? This would explain the sudden about face from Rees Mogg, Mark Francois and the rest of the Extreme Ranter Group blocking May’s agreement then suddenly flocking to support Johnson’s stinker.
Brexit is an ideological project that has been in the planning stage for years to take neoliberal capitalism to it’s final stage. What they really want is a UK that eventually emulates the worst of America. A low regulation economy where privatisation, and the so called free market completely takes over. Is there anything good about Brexit for ordinary people? I know about the tax avoidance laws that the billionaires want to avoid, the crash of the pound which the billionaire hedge funders are looking forward to, the sale of the NHS to the Americans, which the billionaires are looking forward to, but for the overwhelming majority of the 62 million people here, what good will come of Brexit?
The opposition would be stupid to go along with Johnson’s silly game and agree to an early election in December. There hasn’t been a general election in December for over 100 years, with very good reasons. The weather will deter poorer voters, university terms will have ended. The public are slowly seeing through Johnson and his lies, every day new evidence is coming out exposing him, his shock and awe strategy is failing. Keep his feet held to the fire. He only wants an early election to stop his deal being properly scrutinized and exposed for the sham it is.
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Which is why, I the majority of Labour voters voted Remain. A simple recognition the its better for the most vulnerable in our society to have these protections… more important than an old school idealism and concerns about democracy within the EU… ultimately what is best for the people is NOT about WHERE or HOW such legislation is made, but WHAT legislation is made. This is fucking horrendous and why I remain so angry and stubbornly apposed to appeasing the situation and ‘just getting on with it’ - to evoke Godwin’s law, I suspect a majority of those now saying accept and get on, still blame Germans for doing just that after Hitler was democratically elected… Easy to call folks anti-democrats when they go against your opinion… yet I would rather be called an anti-democrat than a hypocrite
I think you’re being slightly reductive there. The Nazi Party got about a third of the seats, had a deployed militia when they gained power, and were prepared to use violence, arson and murder.
The Nazis spent their first few year with any sort of power destroying it, including a Reichstag fire blamed on the Communists, ultimately leading to the very aptly named Enabling Act, that ended democracy in Germany.
Democracy didn’t make the Nazis. Nazis made democracies end.
So where do you stand on reduced workers rights? this ideological project that NK articulates? You this all the time… Ignore the real question, and simply focus on a tiny bit to try be a smart arse… yet miss the point completely. The point was not about 30% of seats or what the Nazis did next, but about those who cry anti-democrat, at those who won’t accept the ‘will of the people’ and shut up and get on with it… likely being the same morons who make childish and offensive snide remarks about the Germans, that they must have all been complicit as they just accepted the democratic result… just because to date there has been no major violence against remainers, there is plenty of verbal ‘anti-democrat abuse’… this is your problem pap… and you know it, but will never admit it.
You have voted for something based on a principle, and seem like a dog with two dicks that you did, superior to those 13 mil odd labour voters who saw this coup for what it was and also decided the implications were too much to accept for the poor in this country… You see, If my no-acceptace of the ‘will of the people’ makes me an anti-democrat then I am actually proud of that… although the fact I feel obliged to add £5 worth of shopping to the local Coops food bank box every time I shop makes me fucking angry that its needed… and its going to get worse… but I am sure you feel very proud of supporting democracy…
How this slipped through the net and was allowed to be online for so long is horrifying and shows that systems for online mediation are inadequate, at least no one donated to it.
Just heard the metallic sound of a can being kicked down the road
Saints team training ?
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The people’s Vote campaign is going well
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Pap’s brexit party made to look a bit daft
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