:brexit: Brexit - Deal or no deal

He has 17.4 million voters to target. Lets see how many ‘incidents’ there need to be before he declares an emergency and starts really making shit up as he goes along.

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Now you’re getting to it.
Could be an interesting few weeks :lou_facepalm_2:

As someone more percipient, that used to post here once said, it’s all a bit national socialist.

Sad days when anyone backs this kind of shit.

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Boris has been on the scene for five minutes.

This Gordian knot has had almost everyone’s input, and not just in Parliament. I’m still not sure whether the Labour pro-Remain is really pro-Remain or just really hates Jeremy Corbyn and sees Europe as an attack-vector. Elements of their faction have done so before.

Then you’ve got the court cases, and the tremendous waste of tax payers’ money on something that had already been democratically decided.

Hilary Benn wants the hereditary lordship back. That’s why the little fucker tub-thumps for every establishment cause going, whether going balls in to Syria or his more recent “achievement”, the Hilary Benn Begging Bill.

On paper, it’s “the Prime Minister must ask for an extension”, but in reality, it’s the inevitable conclusion of the career of a former lordling who probably got teased at school for it.

It really says “I want my lordship back”. All of his initiatives do.

When Jewish Labour MPs were receiving death threats, even though prosecutions showed they were made by far right nutters, we had day after day of blanket coverage telling us that Corbyn must take responsibility, Corbyn could stop it all tomorrow, Corbyn is enabling them by his inaction etc etc. Yet Johnson is just allowed to shrug it off, all a load of humbug, just allowed to shrug it off and carry on doing it. Plenty of headlines today regarding Cummings’ response to Karl Turner MP saying, "Cummings shrugs off complaints’. Cummings wasn’t shrugging off death threats, he was calling for them.

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Boris would sell his mother into slavery if it helped his quest to be king of the world. He seems to have suucessfully sold his anti-establishment credentials too. Take a step back from the whole brexit debate pap and have a look at the cunt.

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What does this have to do with the problem he very deliberately caused?
He has one choice and one choice only. He’s in no position to call the shots.
Him and his psychophants need to get this reality into their thick heads and stop fucking the rest of us about with obvious bullshit.
Thankfully the only adult in the room has been very consistent on this. I’d advise watching what he says and not the head up arse idiots on R4(it’s not highbrow. It’s as simplistic as the sun).

I don’t think there is anything simple about fascism.

What is it?

  • The merging of corporate and state interests within a framework of national destiny (Italy,1920s)
  • Racial supremacy theory, where your own lot are the tops and anyone else is shit, and anyone that is shit is a “partisan” (Germany,1930s-40s)
  • You may very well demand your rights. But we will beat you with sticks, maim and kill you every weekend (2018, 2019, this Saturday France)
  • Brexit (UK, 2016)
  • Anyone you don’t agree with (the “left” - far too long)
  • All of the options

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I thought we were talking far right.

I know that Tories will privatise their grandma, but in our political context, even now, they’re not far right.

Hard right, maybe.

Shit deflection.
What point is to far for you, or will gradual steps lull you all the way.
I posted Mayer for a reason. I’m sad you can’t see why.

That may be correct but it’s the rhetoric of the far right being used and the far right they’re appealing to. Step away from all the ideology pap. Look at the corner you’re fighting.

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Sometimes you have to make a call and say"That’s a cunt". He might support the same team as you. He might like the same shit as you. You may share goals. But he’ll still be a cunt and you should neither trust or support him. He’ll fuck you hard.

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To add some context. You @pap thought Cox was good, but the rest of the world looked on aghast and Craces words would sum up the general sentiment.

“So far, so good. But then Cox spoiled it all by insisting the government had at all times acted in good faith. Not even the dopiest Tory backbenchers believed that. As if trying to cover up this schoolboy error, Cox then went full-on space cadet. What followed was Brian Blessed appearing in a village hall farce, while out of his head on acid.”

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What was democratically decided, if you could call it that after all the lies, in an advisory referendum, was that The UK would leave the EU in an orderly way with a deal. That is what the leave campaign promised to the electorate. Not crash out with no deal. 40 odd trade deals would be in place from day one of leaving, the easiest deal in history with the EU, no disruption, we hold all the cards, and so on and so on. All fantasy of course, but the bottom line is that people did not vote for a no deal Brexit. They were sold a false prospectus, and no matter how many times you bang on about a democratic mandate and the will of the people it doesn’t make it true. Of course some people wanted to crash out without a deal,the billionaire press barons and hedge funders who stand to make a killing, the sizeable amount for whom it was a single issue decision, the take back controllers and their various factions. But the leave campaign promised a Brexit with the best and easiest deal in history which has turned out to be another lie. And millions of leave voters bought it. If it was just a simple matter of leave or remain there was no need for a campaign was there? Just ask the question, Leave the EU or the status quo.(calm down Bazza).
It is a fact that people were not given a choice of a no deal Brexit, they were promised various enticements to persuade them to vote leave, just about all of them false, just as remain gave dire warnings about the consequences of leaving, some probably over exaggerated but as time has shown not all of them. But a decision of this magnitude shouldn’t be made on the basis of false enticements and exaggeration. The only sensible, democratic thing to do is to be honest with people, negotiate the best deal we can and put it back to the people. This deal, no deal or remain. No more lies and silly claims of democratic mandates.
Sadly i fear we are already past the point when any of these arguments have anything to do with Brexit anymore, battle lines are being drawn. These are dangerous times for this country.

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This is so funny… reminds me of…

‘‘One Trot faction, sitting in a hall, One Trot faction, sitting in a hall, And if one Trot faction, should have a nasty squall, There’ll be two Trot factions , sitting in a hall’’

You see so much conspiracy… its been the paranoia of the left for decades… people DONT become more right wing as they get older, they just lose patience with the labour party’s internal strife between old school and the less self righteous…

I thought MSM was a load of bullshit lying fucktards

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They’re an insignificant shower that can’t find their way out of Lime Street and hide their faces when they try.

What evidence do we have, apart from the number of minutes Tommy Robinson seems to magically conjure on mainstream media, that racism and or fascism is worse in this country?

Do we go for the trends of the Social Attitudes Survey, which I must say, are at complete odds with the prospect of a far right country?

Do we go for the so-called rise in hate crime, which now includes the sort of playful tweet one might use to describe IDS?

What are the numbers in play?

lol. I do think it’s been noticeable recently that some press appear to be kicking against Johnson’s torrent of shite. Obviously not the BBC.

Do you really think that will trouble Johnson when he’s trying to manufacture justification for his actions? Little dogs can yap and Johnson and his cronies will be there with a megaphone.

It’s satire, much like how i view their supposed real reporting.
Try it :grin: