So 1 day into their recall and they have achieved what exactly?
If they get this lot, it’ll be a massive achievement(and destroy lying careers).
If nothing else was achieved today it has exposed what a disgusting, vile piece of shit this country has as prime minister. The people who elected him leader should hang their heads in shame. And those who still support/excuse him should take a long hard look in the mirror.
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The problem is that it will be excused as it will be seen by many as Boris trying every thing to get Brexit over the line, inspire of the best effort of the house to thwart him
people who voted for Brexit naively assumes that parliament would deliver on the outcome of the referendum. They have now seen what playing by the rules gets you - nothing. That’s why, when you get Boris pulling all sorts of nefarious stunts, they accept it because they perceive playing fair over Brexit doesn’t work.
I don’t particularly like Boris - he is a chancer, but one thing is clear, Brexit has to come to a conclusion NOW. Not in January, not in July next year, Now. (Remain or Leave)
It it too devisive, too polarising, too toxic. Our parliament is now a single issue parliament - everything else is lost in the noise.
And after we have got a conclusion, we need an election and a bloody good purge of everyone in there because the bad blood will never go away with that bunch of twats currently in there
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This is the big issue I have… why? Because it’s become so divisive and toxic and is screwing our parliament?
Sorry but that is what some folks have been pushing for since day after referendum , telling folks that unless it’s done by a set time it’s an Affront to democracy and you should be outraged and all that toxic speak …
The fact we have a shitstorm and clusterfuck is not a justification to fuck it up even more by accepting a no deal because it’s the easiest way out - as I said above we seem to have patience of ‘simple’ infrastructure projects yet Are ‘encouraged to rush through something much bigger with more far reaching consequences to appease those who seem to believe they have been personally insulted if it does not happen tomorrow
It’s much more important that we get the right deal, and not be pressured into a shit one or no deal because of pressure to resolve the toxicity of the situation
Why has rational thought gone out the window? You can’t address that by simply acting irrationally, one needs to try and get folks to recognise that their voice HAS been heard and will be implemented but it’s in all our best interests to do it properly… not curtail to those shouting loudest from the Brexit party pulpit
Those who are telling us to be impatient tend to those who something gain by doing so.
Boris is playing a blinder. People want to get it done now. Leave.
Sure the vociferous minority protest, but the will of the masses want it finished. Jeez even Pap is supporting Boris for that reason.
Parliament are still playing the point scoring game. It is way past that now.
None of that is a consolation, much will be divisive & no doubt illegal, but the Nation has been suffering and Boris is its Dignitas.
What a fvck up
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SOME people want it done now, not ALL, we need to be more careful… it’s easy to repeat the subtle ‘influence’ of the media soundbite…
It’s what their spin masters do and expect … say ‘will of the people and everyone want it’s done now’ often enough and the truth is lost amongst the spin…
I have met very few people who would rather get it done now, than ensure we get it done right… and that includes mostly those who voted Brexit!
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FFS @Map-Of-Tasmania they’ve had 3 years to get it sorted, 3 years!! Most of that time has been spent pissing up against a wall and arguing about what we should and shouldn’t do, and where has it got us? Asking for extension after extension.
What do you think they’re really going to achieve if it’s extended again, the sum total of fuck all.
The EU want it finished and done with and a deadline should focus the minds but it doesn’t does it.
I know you think we can get a decent deal but you seem to have forgotten the EU intransigence based on the fact that they don’t want us to go (lord knows why, it can’t be because of our fine upstanding politicians)
Nope, get it done with, if it’s no deal then it’s a no deal (and I’m going to say it) that is better than a shit deal…
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So what is the “right deal” and how long are you prepared to wait to get it, whilst we bounce along in this limbo
From a business perspective I want certainty - I couldn’t care less if it was leave or remain
From a personal perspective, yes I would like them to respect the outcome of the vote, but I guess I am getting fatigued by the process and would quite like our MPs to start governing and stop acting like a bunch of cunts.
The toxicity of the debate is added to by both sides of the argument - how often have leavers been described as thick racist little englanders?
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But can’t you see you are falling for the trap? Its exactly because they have been pissing around for 3 years that we do not have a workable deal yet… but just because they have fucked up should NOT make us more accepting of a shit one just to get it done… that is teh point - its too important. The reasons for the pissing about are obvious, remained wanting to delay, brexiteers not happy with some clauses, and the rest with something to gain personally from it… BUT why the fuck are ordinary rational people now losing a grip on what is really important, not when but HOW we leave.
Ceryan parties have wanted the ‘people’ to lose patience and demand a conclusion, and many have fallen for it, but just as many have not from shoe I have spoken to … but there voices are less heard…
Yes, people need to remember what the liars done right from the start. Not so much as a pencil for the first meeting kind of tells you the future direction they planned.
Now after continual lying to the house and hiding information, the liars(with the backing of the msm) are all acting like this
We need to accept that the mature POV is that the last 3 years have been a waste of time… IMHO they aso got it the wrong way round… May should never have got it alone and got a deal with teh EU before getting alignment at home.
They should have set up a cross parliamentary working group to come up with a deal that was workable and would be appropriate and that would get parliamentary approval FIRST and then taken that to Brussels. Whilst this group did that, the rest of parliament could get on with normal business. The group should NOT include any of the most vocal antagonistic twats from both sides .
I honestly believe that had this been the case, we would have left with a deal that was acceptable to brexiteers, yet safeguarded our economy about 18 months ago…
The only RATIONAL way through this is to reset the clock and do this now. - would be done and dusted inside 6 month IMHO… and keep whoever is PM out of it, especially thet utter fucknumpy twat dispicable idiot Johnson
Anyone who cant see that the clusterfuckery was deliberate and allowed to happen by not letting a more balanced cross party group work independently on a deal is part of teh problem IMHO, as harsh as that many sound
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A way around the Benn bill?
When you boil it down, are these comments really any different from the “Leavers are thick” argument?
I’m sorry, but @BTripz has the right of it. He hasn’t fallen into a trap. He has not been hoodwinked. He simply wants Parliament to do its job, and that is to represent what people want, not to decide what is best for them.
Well Johnson has certainly got the far right celebrating his “brilliant performance” in the Commons yesterday. Britain First, Tommy Robinson, Katie Hopkins, Democratic Football Lads Alliance, are all hailing him. Yaxley Lennon, “Go Boris, fuck the lot of them scumbag traitor bastards”. Hopkins, who lets not forget called refugees cockroaches and called for a “final solution” after the Manchester Arena attack called his performance “utterly brilliant”. Extremists across social media on Wednesday night labelled MPs “traitors” and called for “no Surrender”, and they were just some of the milder comments. Johnson knows exactly what he is doing, he is now way to the right of UKIP and is reeling in their supporters. Yesterdays performance was a rallying call to the extreme right. Cummings, this morning was tackled on the parliament estate by an MP who had received death threats, and asked to tone it down. His response? “Well vote for a deal then”. In other words, if you don’t want to receive death threats back us. Despicable. This country is being dragged into the gutter.
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This is the kicker for me, I feel strangely compelled to support whichever side the far right nut jobs aren’t 
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Well that is where we disagree - we live in a parliamentary democracy and also one in which we expect our elected representatives to ACT and DO what they think is right, NOT just what they think the electorate want - its why my repeated mention of a return of capital punishment is a relevant example - always defeated in the house by a majority, despite it being much closer with public opinion, but thankfully those with more time to reflect maturely on all the issues and ethics make decisions… we may have lost faith in their abilities, but the premise was always that we elect folk NOT just to represent our opinion, but to what is right based on their experience…
You used to live in a Paliamentary Democracy- unfortunately.
It has ever been so. The Twittering Classes, the educated may well speak as you do.
But the great unwashed are the majority. They see Boris for what he is.
Fighting for their wishes.
Innit.
So they think it’s right to destroy all faith in the mother of Parliaments because they don’t think upholding a direct democratic result is right?
These people are wrong. They are not called the Shithouses of Parliament for nothing.
I actually agree with the approach that you set out, however I don’t know if there would ever have been a consensus - Lib and SNP are full remain, half the Tories are hard out, Labour and the rest of the Tories are split remain and deal. Add to that the opportunistic point scoring from all parties and you have a buggers muddle
As for going back to the EU and starting again they will say “Non. Nada. Nein “