:gov: Boris Johnson is Still the Prime Minister

Johnson will probably change his mind now :grin:

So here is a thought

If the MPs go for the 12th then this current crop get to elect the new speaker

If they go for the 9th the new parliament elects the Speaker

Should the Tories be aiming at the 9th and risk the student vote but potentially have the ability to elect a friendly speaker for the next 10 yrs

On the up side, whatever happens it’s sayonara Anna Soubry

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Margaret Hodge got reselected, that’s two that have survived recent moves to deselect - momentum running out of puff?

“Should the Tories be aiming at the 9th and risk the student vote, but potentially have the ability to elect a friendly speaker for the next 10 years”.
Or to put it another way, should they stick with Johnson’s plan for an election on the 12th thereby disenfranchising a large proportion of the 2.5 million students in this country who, awkwardly, are more likely to vote Labour. Aint democracy wonderful!

Get the students to register at their parent’s address as well add their university one, they’re legally entitled to register in 2 places, they can vote then wherever they are.

The left might make up the majority of the membership, but they know shit all about policy and procedure.

Jeremy Corbyn tells MPs that Labour “will be seeking to expand the franchise in the December election”.

“That means supporting votes at 16, and it also means supporting the rights of EU citizens with settled status to vote in the elections of this country,” he says.

The point is surely not lost on you that if the election is held in term time the turn out and interest level will be massive.

Also, having raised two of them and been one myself, the organisational skills of the average student might stretch to making sure you have ketamine for the weekend but don’t make it as far as registering in two places and ensuring you are able to vote.

These truisms are not lost on the Tory party.

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lol. After taunting Corbyn about running away from an election Johnson is going to end up pulling his own Bill isn’t he?!

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No 10 could pull election bill

The government will pull the election bill if it’s amended to extend the franchise to include 16-year-olds and EU Citizens, No 10 says.

A spokesman said a vote to change the franchise would create a six-month delay.

The spokesman said: “Nothing would sum up how broken this parliament is if after them all standing up there and saying they want a general election – they vote for an amendment which is deliberately designed to actually prevent the delivery of a general election before 2020.”

Anyone know what Labour’s Brexit policy will be yet? :thinking:

Negotiate new deal securing customs union and single market access. Referendum on new deal or Remain.

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Ha ha, who is the chicken now Bozo? What this boils down to is that Johnson will pull the vote if voters that may not vote Conservative are allowed to vote.

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No amendments to extend the franchise in any way.

Let’s get that right.

Labour will negotiate a new deal which it will then campaign against.

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Bercow just got promised his coveted lordship

Perhaps they might not campaign against. Perhaps they might do the grown-up pragmatic thing, and change their position. Negotiate a deal, keeping commitments on workers rights etc, a sensible trading relationship, based on how things are in the real world. Then do the democratic thing, put it to the people, ‘this deal or leave with a clean break’. I realise that for those of you for whom brexit is nothing short of a religion the referendum result is set in stone, regardless of information which explains the realities of what a hard brexit will mean to people’s every day lives. Information which they didn’t have more than three years ago when the referendum took place. Surely it is just common sense to be honest with the electorate and acknowledge this, stop pretending that people changing their minds once they understand what the realities of brexit will mean is somehow ‘denying the will of the people’, so is therefore irrelevant. In the real world it’s not irrelevant. In the current impasse pragmatism and honesty are called for. Negotiating a deal, then putting it to the people, but this time with the people understanding the implications of what they are voting for, or against, seems eminently sensible to me. But then I’m an agnostic!

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Many Brexiteers have said that its all about principles and that even if it meant several years of hardship they would still vote for it as its about sovereignty and all that huff and puff… well we should put that to the test with a real and honest explanation of what that hardship means and then see how they vote… THAT IS the true definition of democracy, and anyone who is against it must be classified as antidemocratic…

I would be happy with a referendum with those two options - unfortunately most people who want a referendum want remain on their as well.