Iām not telling anyone to fuck off. But if someone wants out, and decides they want to burn all their bridges on the way out, who am I to argue?
Iām not begging anyone to stay, and this stopped being my sandpit when the ownership of the site was shared.
You donāt need to know anything about GoT, you need to know about the origins of a politically sensitive modern-day movement - as a professional politician you would have thought heād take an interest beyond feeling āitās a bit kneely for my tastesā. Iām not saying he should have watched the boxset of GoT to spot the bit where Kaepernick stole all his ideasā¦
Imagine if the Suffragettes had decided that their mesage was getting watered down by misogynists so itās probably not worth the hassle.
Itās precisely because of the Karenās looking to steel the narrative that you keep goingā¦ no matter how they try and ridicule of put downā¦ it only becomes less impactful if we let itā¦
Sorry this is ramblingā¦
OK, so Michael Holding the other day criticising the Pakistan, Australian and England cricketers because they havenāt been taking a knee before their matches despite Jofra Archer saying a lot is being done in the background.
Lewis Hamilton castigating his fellow drivers because some wouldnāt take the knee before the Grand Prix .
Examples of people putting peer pressure on others to do what they think is right. This is where I am coming from in saying that taking a knee is losing itās power.
More and more sports are doing it before matches, soon it is going to become another routine thing to do and people are going to forget its original meaning.
I try, in my life, to be as fair as possible to all people but should I be showing that by wearing rainbow clothes, by taking a knee before I go to work or into the shop?
Unlike others I donāt have time to be active in joining demonstrations about things, I do what I can do myself. Just because what I do doesnāt show on a grand scale doesnāt mean that what I do should be ridiculed and marginalised.
Forcing people to take a knee is wrong, I can see why people see it as if youāre not doing it then you are with the racists but that is not true.
Fatsoās reaction was unfortunate. Highlighting his issue was correct and fair but then flouncing off when confronted about it was wrong. If he was that concerned then he should have argued his case not just insulted everyone and then tarring them with the same brush.
Reading my twitter feed has made me come to the conclusion that the ātaking a kneeā protest is polarising opinions, as @Polski_Filip has said the All Lives Matter tags etc. show this.
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polarising opinion is a good thing as it makes people talk about it, however there are those that will go completely out of their way to be the opposite just because they can. This is the thing about free speech in society, it brings out the best and worst in people.
Sentiment is one thing, but it is ALL about putting peer pressure on others, that IS the point. To make it LESS acceptable not showing solidarity with the Cause, because the racists hold the card that that says if you do nothing you agree with the status quo.
That is not saying all who donāt bend the knee are racists, but what Hamilton and Holding are saying is by not doing so, the racist can claim that less folks are bothered and continue to erode the value of the message
Only by collectively growing the movement and Never giving up will this be changed
Not the same point.
Suffragettes were not hijacked, and the strange world of social media conspiracy was not around to drown the message.
But also putting pressure on people to do something, and it being known that pressure is being put on people, a la Hamilton, also has the same affect :- āTheyāre being pressurised into it, they donāt believe in itā
Itās a tough one isnāt it. Itās like the ongoing argument I have with Mrs BTripz where she tells me Iām not confrontational enough with people, Iād rather calmly argue my case and adjust my opinion where I can plainly see itās wrong. Her approach is just to scream and yell at people and tell them theyāre wrong!!
When she is going full on I can see the other side getting entrenched and nothing gets resolved.
Iād rather that Hamilton/Holding said āIād like the others to take a knee to show their support but I can also see that they are doing a lot in the background.ā
I agree, but my point is the next step.
Give us the next pressure point.
Lewis Hamilton has been vocal in BLM support & taking a knee in his sport. Not everyone did.
At the weekend he tried to go to a next level wearing a protest T-Shirt. It has back fired.
Compare telling Karen the same thing each week.
The evidence is people tune out when the message is stale no matter how VALID your point is
In evidence I give you Covididiots
Hijacked in what way? By political activists? I wasnāt around when the Suffragettes were doing their thing but Iād be surprised if the movement wasnāt hijacked in some way by radicals of one stripe or another.
In terms of drowning the message, there was plenty of opposition propaganda about āthe silly little ladies trying to change thingsā - if thatās not an attempt to drown the message then Iām not clear what you mean.
Osi Umenyiora makes a very good argument why he would not take a kneeā¦
This thread should be closed and re-entry only permitted once theyāve watched that video @BTripz. Itās probably the most poignant clip Iāve watched over this matter ā¦
I wouldnāt consider myself āup to speedā on all the BLM movement and for that I probably ought to be a bit ashamed. What I am up to speed about is that if, as a society, we are going to solve this issue, it is about everyone acting with honesty and integrity and respecting the rights of other individuals to behave and conduct themselves with honesty and integrity. It is also OK to have your own view on how you wish to maintain and demonstrate that integrity. It is not about conforming for the sake of not being called out as different. All the mud slinging on here is divisive and unpleasant. Love and peace people, love and peace.
I canāt agree with him. I understand his sentiment and his desire to stand up and be an individual and do what he believes, and also an understanding that he has benefitted from the same society that folks are protesting againstā¦ But this is not about the individual. its about the impact on changing society, and that needs solidarity and unity, not individual protests that are easily dismissed as the view of an individual, as opposed to that of the majority.
So despite him saying all he has said what youāre saying is that he should be forced to do something he doesnāt want to do to show unityā¦
Do you not see the irony in the context of what the protest is about!
You donāt have to agree with him to respect his right to an opinion. Nothing he said in that interview came across to me as somebody trying to claim the moral high ground, or to dismiss (or as he puts it, ācancelā) the opinions of others.
I think that there is no need for āironyā in this case because no one is āforcingā anyone to do anythingā¦ the point being that it should be a quite natural response to show solidarity with the gesture selected the the movementā¦ itās simple easy clearly communicates the solidarity with it.
Please tell me one good and rational reason why anyone would not want to show such solidarity? the gesture has been selected as a the symbol, yet some folks (daily mail readers?) seem to be wanting to make this about the gesture itself and not about a simple act we can align with if we agree with the protest causeā¦
The current debate over its value, individual choices was started by those seeking to undermine it and itās why itās even more important to stick two fingers up to them and ignore their shit spreading
Actually my friends son has been forced to take a knee at his school, he did not want to but was told he had to it was mandatory. Scott is black but feels it should be a choice for each individual