🤪 2019 General Election Discussion :gov:

Yes and where did those votes go, thats the key, Labour went to tory and tory went to Liberal, hence -8 for Labour and +1 for tory gains.

Singularly the best thing to come out of the general election is the Mark ne-Francois-pas parody account on Twitter.

To get some of the in-jokes you have to realise that he is obsessed with the war, reenactment, hunger striking, being part of a paintball team made up of various Tory MPs including Rees Mogg and he dreams a lot.

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Oh, he also runs a think tank called Think. Tank.

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Apologies also to Bletch, but i will just leave this here. Some very tasteful guitar playing from Richard Hawley as an added bonus.
Cunts are still running the world.

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It’s the silver linings moment.

First off. the election has wiped out some very nasty pieces of Parliamentary work. I’m thinking Tom Watson, Ian Austin, Ruth Smeeth, Anna Soubry, Luciana Berger (surely the personification of the phrase ā€œyou get the face you deserve at fortyā€) and Chuka.

On that last point, Change UK have become Chucked UK. I’m sure each of them feels a funny t(w)inge of regret.

Gutted about Laura Pidcock although she will be back. Also gutted about Dennis Skinner, who probably won’t be.

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For all the people whinging about FPTP, had Corbyn won I reckon those people would have thought that it works just fine

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I’m horrified by your craven attitude.

Tell them to either eat the lard ones or fuck off. :angry::angry:

Absolutely. :+1::+1:

And if the 2016 referendum had gone the other way, it would have been a model exercise of democracy in action, with nary a mention of Project Fear.

Oh yeah and ā€œTake Back Controlā€ā€¦pray tell me who we have taken it from and who we have given it to?
Discuss…no no that was a joke…let’s just argue and point score. :stuck_out_tongue:

When we exit, we will take back control from unelected legislators.

We will be giving that control to legislators we can elect.

But surely you know the country has been and will always be run by that massive institution The Civil Service.

Their job is to implement the legislation that our legislators decide on, and yes, I completely acknowledge that they put their own spin on things (I’ve seen Yes Minister) but ultimately that distinction is there.

So which legislators do you want the Civil Service implementing policy for? Legislators here that we elect, or legislators in Brussels that we don’t?

I don’t give a fuck who makes the laws…what I do care is that they are made by people who care for others and they are made for the care of others. I don’t care where they come from, Timbuktu for all I care as long as they are good, well considered laws.

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Re FPTP and a Labour win… I voted for the STV/PR in that last referendum and would do so again… the excuses that it leads to less certainty/less majorities is exactly that, an excuse for wanting everything ones own way, as opposed to mature and sensible debate in parliament to come to consensus in everyones interests… yet we insist on the adversarial and confrontational politics of braying twats and ā€˜order order’… a ā€˜tradition’ that really is not part of a modern democracy.

Instead we retain a system that give ultimate power to a group of twats who never even got half the vote… the irony of those voting on brexit lines only as they ā€˜wanted their vote to count’ seems to have been lost on many

I think this is big fundamental difference between many Remainers and Leavers… but some more thoughtful Brexiteers would argue that if legislation is under UK control, if you dont like it, you can vote those folks out in the next GE, ipso facto democracy blah blah… sadly the reality is that with FPTP, we rarely have decision makers who are truly representative of the majority view…

I am with you, that it is MUCH more important what the legislation is and how it effects folks, than who, where, or how its made.

Brexit will see plenty of changes, all designed to empower business to do more as it pleases and IMHO at the expense of the employees…

Absolutely…this is not slanted this is what I told people to do when coming to a decision on The Referendum…look for impartial facts…

"Official EU voting records show that the British government has voted ā€˜No’ to laws passed at EU level on 56 occasions, abstained 70 times, and voted ā€˜Yes’ 2,466 times since 1999, according to UK in a Changing Europe Fellows Sara Hagemann and Simon Hix.

In other words, UK ministers were on the ā€œwinning sideā€ 95% of the time, abstained 3% of the time, and were on the losing side 2%."

How do the Tories stand on ā€œWorker’s Rightsā€?..

You should. Just ask the Greeks how following rules laid down by unelected legislators worked out for them.

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Thing is, depends on what your view is joining in the first place… you know when requesting to join the Euro and the benefits that come with it, that it requires country sto stick to very strict fiscal policy… and smaller nations will struggle most meeting these following the the Global down turn… The people of Greece wanted membership and the Euro.

I simply dont know enough about the macro economics of the eurozone to pretend to have any answers on whether Greece could ā€˜cut any slack’ over this but, they did keno what they would need to fulfil and maintain on joining

When push comes to shove, fuck the people and sort out the banks. That’s the Eurozone for you.

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So what’s new.