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They don’t need to understand why, just have it drummed into them often enough.
That’s how propaganda works and that’s the discussion people should want to have about this election(it was so blatant, it’s telling us something far more serious).
Ask yourself what that really means.
How about Francesca Martinez’s suggestion.

Too thick to discern the truth?

Would you consider sufferers of Stockholm syndrome “too thick to discern the truth”?

Where did it collapse?

The 1st stage of the grieving process is denial.
You continue to deny that the general public found Corbyn unacceptable.
Everything stuck to him because his denials weren’t repeated firmly enough.
Terrorist, Anti-Semitic and crucially his ability to pluck new policies out of thin air every day so people with any sanity or basic ability to balance their weekly budgets thought he was bonkers.
Stop denying it was his fault.
Next you will get angry.
So. I understand, you and many others are going through a process.
And as a life long Tory before I left UK I would have voted tactically this election (LibDem) in Salisbury) and happy to have seen Corbyn get in in fact any left of centre party.

Sorry, Phil, you could not be more wrong (and having grieved for close relatives, I say that from experience)

The election result is not about loss of those you love, or something you yearned for, I was never even that keen on Corbyn, Its more about an element of anger that we live in a time when the democratic process is not actually that democratic


IMHO democracy is more than just one person one vote, its about having that vote in an environment where the information necessary to make informed choices is not tarnished by quite despicable strategies to undermine opponents and their POV. It has gone way beyond propaganda. Its almost a viral infection spread by smart technology targeting the most likely to be receptive to some subtle and some not so subtle messages
 whether it social media or other channels. In addition we have 80% of the media owned and supportive of 1 party over other and our democratic process will struggle to recover

Furthermore, from the various voter vox pops I have seen, it is clear that some have been taken for a ride, believing nonsense and lies without question. Yet to critique these folks for being ill-equipped to question or blindly accept is seen as elitist and insulting
 the spreaders of lies win both ways
 yet, the reality is that if you blindly accept messages without questioning or reasoning, one will remain ignorant - same as kids taught to be racist, they know no different, so unless given support to understand, they remain ignorant of the truth.

Then there are those who simply wont listen because what they hear gives them an excuse
 it has always been such, when humans have been subject to harsher times, backed into a corner, we look to blame what we dont understand, what is foreign, and so its easy to see how see how blame can often be laid at the wrong door, and voters react against the wrong enemy

Its simple, if we want to see real democracy in action, we cant just ‘accept’ it all as is, or ‘let the healing begin’. The healing will only truly begin when we see through the hideous strategies of folks like Cummings, the lies of Boris etc, the vicious bullshit smears and recognise them for what they are. If I ‘grieve’ for anything, its not so much the challenge of deciphering the truth, but the fact for some this now appears to be irrelevant.

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Indeed.

Just like the truth of the 2016 referendum result was irrelevant to you.

Relevant now, init.

Record numbers of people registered to vote.
Massive quing at polling station reported up and down the country(not by the msm though).
Turn out down?
So many numbers don’t add up in this.

This is a pretty typical pap response
 nonsense pretending to be clever
 What ‘Truth’ in the referendum result is irrelevant to me exactly? means fuck all if you cant articulate what you mean


The result, more than anything else.

You never saw it as a legitimate democratic outcome.

You’ve spent the past three years in denial.

Who is UK Prime Minister on Planet Map right now? Ken Clarke? Keir Starmer? Nick Clegg?

Once again you cant seem to differentiate between the ‘result’ and someone rightly asking question about how the result was influenced.

if we fail to question these things, we will begin to accept the erosion of important democratic principles, and as mentioned above, what is sadly worse, is that these principles become less important to too many


Understanding what influences voter perceptions and choices, be it their fears and concerns, their difficulties in understanding the facts/truth (and that is NOT some insulting smear as much as many would suggest, but a reality), or their reluctance to care about it, and being able to ensure we address these issues, is a key to a true democratic process


Heseltine?

You’re still searching for a caveat, the voting process is unfair but its what we have, thats it, we’re leaving regardless.
You are not doing yourself any favours here and merely ticking all the boxes of a snowflake denier.

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How do you know they weren’t for tory? There has to be a conspiracy everywhere (exeptt Russia and China), we got our arses handed to us due to the Bexit vote voting for tory as they had a clear idea on what they were doing, Corbyn was unpopular as well but the primary reason in vote leaving Labour areas was Brexit.
I was speaking to a bloke from a village just outside Burnley the other week and he is lifelong Labour, he said he was not voting for the Labour party again until they honour the initial vote, he didn’t like Corbyn as he thought he was a sellout and didn’t actually have a clue what integration and assimilation was in the real working class World (he stated living next door but not talking and ignoring each other isn’t integration).
Brexit and then Corbyn then Southern dominance of Labour in that order, I suspect massively this is the order in the North.

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I didn’t bother reading past this bit.
I will read the rest when you learn maths.
If they voted(whichever way) turn out couldn’t go down. 4 million seem to have disappeared.

Where have 4 million disappeared? 3.7 million people voted more for the tories, am I missing something here? Labour lost 2.8 million voters across the Country, most in the North, no conspiracy, they just wanted Brexit done or shall I say believed Johnson and the tories.

Turn out, not vote split.

The turnout where it mattered ie England was 1.7% down, I think its you who needs to retake maths.

Look past your cult and ask yourself why record numbers registered. Unpresidented queuing at polling stations on the day, but overall turn out down.
You don’t think this raises questions?