Where was that poll taken? In Rochdale the reason for leaving the Labour and voting for others because of the EU would have been far far higher, northern labour leaving the EU was the number one issue and then Corbyn.
It was in most of the North of the Country I can tell you.
Have you seen a bigger survey than the one above of 5.6k people? Please share
The reality is people voted for Brexit to happen, Corbyn was 2nd to that.
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But is that not also a questionable rationale?
5.6k survey says it was a secondary reason. I would be keen to see a survey that says otherwise, not just assumptions
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Yup. That is exactly it.
I donāt actually think the topic of the vote was that important. Itās as you say. Itās all about denying people that democratic outcome.
Bollocks to surveys, no survey saw the arse kicking we weāre going to get, the reality on the ground is people wanted Brexit done, and the tories had a clear policy.
Even now people are looking for anything to cling to, fuck me even Labour says it was Brexit, fuck surveys, get with reality.
you remind me ofā¦ to paraphrase;
āI think we have all had enough of surveys, dont you?ā
Itās becoming increasingly tiresome hearing remainers wriggle desperately for their sanity. If anyone genuinely believes that this election was not a de facto third referendum on brexit, they are utterly deluded. Only one major party gave a clear, unambiguous pledge to carry out the orders of the electorate in 2016 and take us out of the EU. That party received its largest majority since the 80s, despite being enormously unpopular on just about every other issue. To suggest, as has been pursued above, that everyone voting Labour was actually voting for a fourth referendum is simply and transparently ridiculous. Why did the lib dem vote collapse so spectacularly, even to the point of losing their own leaderās seat? When they were the only major party in England categorically ruling out brexit? Was that just a huge backlash against Swinson??
Anyway, itās over now, thank christ. Letās see how the cards fall now, and see how theyāre played.
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But only a single percentage point above Theresa Mayās vote share in 2017.
The numbers say quite a lot when we look at them all. Very fortuitously spread about, that 1%, iād say and if you got some mathematicians to look at it and compare with I DOX Elections and their input, a pattern might appear.
If people want a single word description for this election, could i suggest āgamedā.
Just a cursory glance at the bbc(or any other media under election purdah rules) coverage confirms that, surely.
Itās enlightening to watch what can be got away with, just by shouting ānothing to see here, look over thereā. So much illegality going on and no oneās talking about it, let alone worried by what it reveals.
Perfectly sane thanksā¦ but I do think it deserves scrutiny - Why i object to these situations is that things very quickly become almost urban myth because of the hyperbole used in describing this stuff, because although from the angle of FPTP it might be considered as ācollapseā, when you look at the actual votes cast, its a different pictureā¦ of course you cant suggest all those 53% who did not vote for any of the āclear position on brexitā parties were pro another ref, but equally if that is the case you cannot assume that all those who voted Tory are brexiteersā¦
ā¦ I think its a valid point to make that if you voted against the party most likely to help the ordinary people, simply because of brexit or even simply that your were desperate to have your vote count for something, I would question why that was so important?
Seriously we live in a system where the vast majority of votes in GEs do NOT count for anything in many constituency, yet when the public had a chance to do something about it, it declined itā¦ so why all of sudden is āmy vote should countā so important? at best a confused publicā¦ ??
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No you wonāt this is a point scoring exercise for you so youāre never going t be happy withā¦ Bazza nil points.
Barry this is a debate not a platform for you to wind people up.
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But weāre leaving and no caveats, or elastic weasel words can change that, no bleating either, the Brexit vote voted tory and thats it, Iām not too sure what there is to debate?
Its pretty desperate and childish and thats coming from me whoās a total twat.
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On the terms offered by the leave campaign?
Excellent news(you better inform pfeffel).
Iām with @Map-Of-Tasmania on this.
Not that I disagree with your point that it was effectively a referendum because it obviously was.
Not a moaning Remainer but a pedant. Itās important we realise what happened in the election.
The straight vote for vote comparison of a referendum would have delivered a Remain verdict. FPTP fucks everything.
For clarity Iām not suggesting that this means anything other than the country voted to get Brexit done. But the FPTP system and the hatred of various leader personalities meant this election was about more than Brexit.
Thatās my view and the survey above seems to agree .
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FPTP does fuck everything up but we all knew the rules, weāre leaving.
Weāre leaving now and thats all there is to it, itāll take years probably but there is a clear consensus and that is shown in the outcome of the vote. Weāre leaving.
Youāre missing the point, Barry.
This thread is about debating the general election.
That includes every valid opinion about what the GE means - from our sanest members to our complete twats.
All are welcome to share their views.
What is not welcome is posting the same thing over again in an attempt to shut down debate.
If all you plan to do is taunt people it might be best to ignore this thread.
Cheers mate.
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