Yes Barry we are and your point is?
I agree.
Youāre whining and looking for caveats is now redundant, the election was lost upon the Brexit and nothing else really, the North spoke again and once again it spoke to leave, accept that, quit bitching and accept it.
I voted leave and voted Labour, Iād rather we won the election and brought more consensus across the board but that isnāt happening, we just have to get on with it even though its a barrel of shit.
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I agree Barry.
Brexit was one of a number of reasons.
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I agree Bletch
Brexit was probably the biggest, the North spoke to spank the southern childā¦ The election was only ever about 40 years of āThe Northā being ignored by āthe southāā¦ despite the Labour having a leader most likely to address the social injustices effecting may disenfranchised communitiesā¦ he was still a Southerner and therefore guilty of everything evil in the worldā¦
I think itās the part where all the big business institutions, such as the CBI, have spent the past five years trying to swerve the outcome. If you genuinely think theyāll have an easier time outside the EU on most of the issues youāre talking about, give your head a wobble.
Big business likes a virtually unlimited pool of unskilled labour prepared to work for the National Living Wage. If big business wants to employ foreign nationals post Brexit, big business specifically will have to pay Ā£1K per head on top of what they pay for wages. All EU nationals will now come under this scheme.
Big business loves freedom of movement and goods. It loves being able to exploit low tax regimes like Ireland or Luxembourg. It loves goods moving without import tariffs, especially when those goods can be produced in Eastern Europe.
On that matter, big business loves being able to move to these places to improve their bottom line. Weāre talking Cadburys. Weāre talking Ford.
Are you honestly suggesting that this bonfire of regulations (which I do not think will be the conflagration you predict) is going to counter all of those lost advantages? Any exporter is still going to have to meet the standards of the countries it is looking to export to. Itās not like we can just start removing safeguards for domestically produced goods.
To answer your final point, of course big business is not doing it for the social good. Itās doing it for profit.
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We shall see. Lets hope your faith in our capitalists and those defining our new rules is proven correctā¦ but I wont hold my breath
Who would you prefer going in to bat for your side in a negotiation?
Grandad Jezza?
Boris the Animal?
To be honest, mad as a box of frogs he may be, but the people understood Flippity May got roasted in the negotiations and then you had months of Jezza being the most non-assertive person sinceā¦ your Granny asked if youd like another Cucumber Sandwich Dearā¦
Or? Mad Boris telling them to stop talking shit and get it done.
That is the message from my kids today. Jezza negotiating?
That is what I got from my youngsters and their friends. JC just vacillated instead of being decisive and then chose to ignore the referendum result. The feeling they had was he would sit on the fence and when he had to make a decision it would simply be what his party wanted not what the country wanted. Not saying that is my opinion but I can see why they felt that way
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Sounds like youāve got smart youngsters. The failure to confront these issues head on really cost Corbyn. At every point, there was all kinds of justification to move against the PLP, not least the support from the membership.
If Boris can withdraw the whip from 21 Tory MPs over one vote, then Corbyn looks painfully indecisive in hindsight. Fair dos, the leftist elements of Labour were vastly outnumbered in the PLP, which made things hard, but I do wonder what might have been if heād wrecked the wreckiest wreckers early on.
While I commend Corbyn for not resorting to personal attacks, but it didnāt help him. He never really knew who his enemies were or how to deal with them.
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Rather amusingly, iāve heard it called The Pouch of Douglas. I have no idea if this is anatomically correct, but it sounds good and wholesome and somewhere i would like to visit in Scotland.
Every day is a school day, bletch.
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Aka the Biffin Bridge, or the taint. 
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Well Iām glad my vote counted. There was only one sensible choice, despite what we were told.
Well done, Ben Stokes.
(Whatās that Belch? Iām on the wrong thread?)
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Have I ever said that the word āBrexitā is an abomination and its use should be not so much banned as thrust back down the offending throat time and again until the lungs collapse?
Not aimed at you young fella, just the word which I first heard, in all places, in the US pre-Trump. Thatās āTrumpā with a capital āTā rather than without for those who get easily confused.
Aah, good old Viz. Can always be relied upon to raise the tone of any conversation.
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