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The key factor is that we now have a govt with a decent majority - you will not get the same three years of shenanigans that crippled parliament.

It also means for the next five years it is unlikely that we will have another election - again more certainty - there is a big possibility that the Tories are in for the next ten years unless labour sort their shit out.

Yes we don’t know what the trade deal will be, but now we have a unified govt, the EU has lost leverage and can no longer divide and conquer like they have over Brexit.

Another factor is that Boris is likely to get a longer honeymoon period whilst Labour fanny about with their leadership. He has seen May squander her first year, he won’t do that. He has momentum, he has the votes he needs in the commons and I expect him to try to get a lot done quickly.

He got 12m votes when promising to respect the result of the referendum, 10m votes when he didn’t.

You know how much of a JC fan I was, but ultimately, I think the Labour Party needs someone with his values but is more of a cunt that’ll hit the things JC avoided head on.

He’s to be admired for trying the collegiate approach, but lesson one for the incoming leader is to purge. Purge like Stalin. The opposition are going to call you Stalinists anyway. May as well get some use out of the term.

Besides, Boris set a big precedent with withdrawing the whip from those 21 MPs. Can you imagine where we’d be if Corbyn had done the same? Most of the AS attacks came from within his own party.

The party was too busy defending its reputation to be able to articulate on its policies.

To this day, I have no idea why a positive, left-centric case for Brexit was not made, especially because a good deal of Corbyn’s policy platform required the bending or breaking of EU rules.

I just don’t think that will happen

H&S won’t get more lax and as for worker rights I cannot see them being wound back - they won’t necessarily be enhanced.

They does need to be some worker legislation changes

Agency worker regs are a bag of shite and need reforming as does IR35 and classification of workers.

I think Labour tried to push too many policies instead of having laser focus on a few key messages

The Tories said “Get Brexit Done” as nauseum but it landed, where as I couldn’t tell you what Labour’s message was

That was the problem

Uhm
 This isa generalisation, but some truth in it I suspect, but I think there are differences between how folks view and left and right politicians depending on your underlying POV. I suspects Tories and closet tories, see Boris’s embarrassing ‘antics’ as those of a typical rakish rogue, its just japes, as is his casual racism and lies, all a big forgivable joke, because they don’t see those traits as something to be shamed by
They care more for his ‘decisiveness’ etc
 Left wing supporters are appalled by similar allegations and behaviour and its why the unending campaign against Corbyn has worked
 the anti-Semitism smears etc
 tories don’t give a shit, but many on the left were worried


Its not looking for anything, was merely pointing out a fact that challenged your point
 we remain equally divided, that is for sure, irrespective of how the FPTP divided the seats, that is an indispuatble fact based on etc vote


Agree with much of that.

The counterpoint is missing though.

What would have happened if he had promised a guaranteed leave?

What would have happened if he had purged.

I honestly believe the victory was not there as soon a Johnson declared unequivocally for Brexit, deal or no deal.

Labour had no winning position at that point.

I don’t have to accept anything
 its called ‘principles’ Barry, remember those, ever had any?

There is nothing I can do about at this time, but that is not ‘accepting it’

That is simply called maturity of thought and conviction, which as we have seen, many of the electorate seem to have ditched in favour of voting for a complete cunt

We shall see
 If there are minimal changes, why is business so happy to be ‘free of the shackles of the EU?’ seriously, this is about those shackles and they will be stacked in favour of the owners, not the workers


Because it risked losing ~8m votes instead of risking losing ~4m?

I understand the constituency map qualification - that 8m might have been worth the risk to protect the votes in the constituencies of the 4m.

I’d like to see that analysis.

But ultimately making a case for a Left exit would have alienated the majority of the Labour vote.

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All fair points and I’d agree that domestically things will be more certain.

But your point was that business needed certainty and they have that now (paraphrasing).

That’s not the case.

They got the certainty that things will become more uncertain until they become certain again at some point down the line.

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Better than uncertainty that the current uncertainty will last for an uncertain timescale

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LOL.

We’re in known unknowns territory here, aren’t we.

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Well I suppose they have removed any uncertainty that at some point soon, there will be more ‘freedom’ for business
 whether this is a good or bad thing will depend on where you are in the company hierarchy
 or the consumer.

I suppose, given how poor many folks are, cheaper imported horrendously produced poultry might come in handy


My partner and I were talking about this, this morning. Would it have been best to go “you voted leave, we will agree to sort that and here and some really good policies to help those that need it most”.
Would they have all gone to Libdems or Green? Or would they just accept that this has to happen but if it does they would prefer Labour doing it than Tories.
I don’t think I’d have jumped ship but it would be good to see how many would have.

They knew that most of their target seats voted Leave. What’s the point in pissing them off, the only seats that actually matter, to placate folk in metropolitan heartlands like to vote Labour anyway.

Like they were under the EU?

Hallo boss. I am not making enough money to live. Can I have a pay rise please?

Fuck off. We’ll just replace you with someone cheaper. Gregorz?!!

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.and the point is? you miss it completely. It may have been far from perfect, but do you think the elite, advocating Brexit and the freedom for business are going to make it better, or worse once all the regulation shifts
 that allows, for example goods in that are cheaper but lower in quality standards than we have now?.. meaning putting our producers at risk? Seriously, what part of ‘BIG business elite backing Brexit’ are you not getting? Are they doing this for the social good, or to seize more opportunity to line pockets?

We remain equally divided but we’re leaving.