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Iâve always said that a campaign to rejoin is a perfectly democratic exercise. It was the Remain wish to overturn the 2016 vote without implementing it which posed the real problem. Labourâs position had some democratic legitimacy, in that their policy was tied to a general election manifesto, and people had the democratic choice over whether to âgo againâ.
The public exercised that choice.
I think Borisâ first few years in office will probably be perceived as a success. Brexit will get done, in some shape or other, and the stasis of the last few years has given the Conservatives a very low bar to clear. All they really have to do is get stuff done to create a sense of forward momentum.
Yes but some deep thought needs to go into a âNewâ left.
Not Kool bloody Brittania, not Marx or Stalin inspired but something letâs call it Caring.
The UK has been riven by decades of not giving a fvckedness, be they benefit fraudsters, rip off businessmen, politicians (in sweeping generalisation terms)
The Chinese & Vietnamese came up with an authoritarian system where unlike the Soviet Union, business worked, neither are clean or right, but we know there is a groundswell outside of Brexit to Care. Time to find a way a system and get it moving.
People under globalisation where the West will all become collectively poorer will jolt towards protectionism and popularism, the rise of the right and borders are here to stay.
Thats is it, we can have integrity and get left behind or we can move to the centre.
I still havenât decided whether pragmatism or integrity should win out in my head yet.
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The general consensus seems to be that Getting Brexit Done will take years. In the real world.
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Yeah, but thanks to Remainers of all stripes, be it the Liberal Democrats that gave us the Fixed Term Parliament Act, and post-referendum shenanigans from a majority Remain Parliament, Boris Johnson now has years.
Interesting analysis.
Biggest reason that business is happy is that there is a fighting chance of some certainty
All we have ever wanted is to be told where the playing field is and what the rules of the game are - the rest we can deal with
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Donât want to score points and donât want to dive into Brexit per se, but when so you think you will have certainty?
And if you can, project for other industries.
I see some degree of certainty, but only that we will have a different sort of uncertainty for the foreseeable future - until all the terms of trade deals are set.
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This is doing the rounds at the moment and pretty well sums up a lot of feelings. Itâs a copy and paste but nonetheless it addresses the next steps for those who didnât vote for Brexit or The ToriesâŠ
âSo congratulations if you wanted Boris Johnson as pm.
Please donât celebrate too much though as you have work to do. You see us remoaners have spent three and a half years now telling you brexit was wrong but weâve finally and completely lost. Thereâs pretty much nothing we can do now to stop it.
So, itâs over to you leavers. You need to get yourselves into gear to make it work. We need to see some of these benefits youâve been able to see yet unable to properly articulate since 2016.
I hope you donât mind but Iâve taken the liberty of writing a to do list for you.
- Get brexit done please. When we say done we mean as promised so weâll be looking for trade deals with the EU, Japan, Australia and Canada etc. In fact thereâs about 40 deals covering 70 countries that need to be done please. Also with the US that doesnât involve the nhs or chlorine. We want what you promised us. That was that weâd be no worse off than when we were an EU member. You need to crack on as this was promised by the end of Jan. You have seven weeks.
- The nhs. We want the cash that was promised please. ÂŁ350 million per week is about 72000 nurses so please get recruiting. This is important.
- Scotland. Ok so these guys were promised they would remain in the EU if they remained in the UK. Theyâre pretty pissed. In fact theyâve voted almost exclusively for the SNP so they might want to leave. Equally you said the UK wouldnât split so youâll need to both grant Scotland its independence and keep it as part of the United Kingdom. Good luck squaring this circle. NB. This is urgent.
- Northern Ireland. Oooookay then. Youâve really buggered this one up. Thereâs a chance they could look to reunify with the republic now because they didnât want to brexit. Regardless youâve caused instability there where we and they can least afford it. NB. This is also urgent.
- The economy. Johnson keeps talking about unleashing the potential of the country. We need to see this soon if possible. We donât want to see the downturn that âproject fearâ predicted. We donât want to be poorer. We donât want to lose out.
- Youâll also need to âbring the country back togetherâ. This might be tricky as a lot of people seem to be really really angry with each other.
Thatâs as far as Iâve got. Should keep you busy. So go and get all british about things. Roll up your sleeves, pull your socks up, dig deep and deliver what you promised.
And remember if you fail to deliver any of this itâs on you, brexit and Tory voters. You wanted this so badly and now you have it. We honestly hope weâre wrong and that you can make a success of this but if you canât then we will forever tell you that we told you so.â
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Yes sadly in terms of seats in a FPTP system⊠but 53% of the popular vote went to parties either advocating remain or at least another vote on the deal⊠so how does that equate to your statement. We remain as divided as were were before, just with a Tory majority in the house to do as it pleasesâŠ
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But we still have no idea what or when any trade deal will be in place with any country let alone the EU⊠the only certainty is that Boris will get his deal approved⊠yet that deal still allows for a no-deal, neither does it indicate the nature of any final agreement⊠so please explain this âcertaintyâ that is pleasing business⊠I suspect its more to do with many in âBusinessâ supporting Brexit - less red tape, less legislation, less H+S, less ârestrictionsâ governing quality etc⊠in effect much like the US⊠Will be interesting to see how the âworking classesâ who voted for this will feel when they start to see many of their safeguards disappearing, along with many of their jobs?
Looking for comfort and unfairness in a voting system isnât going to change the reality. Thatâs all there is to it.
That is besides the point, weâre leaving and that quite obviously is the reason because of the result, quit whining, even ardent remainers accept this, accept this vote.
I hate it but you have to accept, itâs called political maturity.
I agree Barry.
Brexit was certainly one of the factors. And a very important one.
It was the factor for northern labour in the majority of places I can assure you.
I agree.
It was certainly a factor.
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Listening to Labour MPs and voters in the North this morning, other factors were both a dislike of Jeremy, but even more importantly, a distrust that the various policies would actually be delivered.
I have heard some commentators suggest that there were too many policy initiatives being unveiled, almost daily, which helped create this âmistrustâ.
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Yeah, Iâd volunteer that Corbyn was a significant problem.
That doesnât reflect my personal view.
And neither do I think that those views are representative of the man.
Those views reflect the 4+ years of demonisation of the man and the massively over-magnification of the mistakes I concede he has made.
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You may well be right. But there was huge demonisation of Boris too (sometimes with very good reason) and if that did hurt his votes, it didnât show this week. I happen to think that the myriad of late Labour policies, many of which were far-reaching, was a bigger factor. Plus Brexit, obvs.