Seriously, lets just get on with it. I started my day by having a chat with the current client, bemoaning the result. Her comment? âMy sister text me this morning to say her hair has started growing back after chemo. I could care less about politics really.â
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We probably need a new thread, or indeed more than one, to replace this one. The election was just, like, so yesterday, you know?
What the hell, maybe Iâll start one.
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Winning
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Until her sister has to pay for her chemo?
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Neither McDonnell (got to) nor Abbot (walking negative headline generator) are going to do it for me. The good news for Labour is that theyâve got rid of some of the absolute worst wreckers in the party, including the whole Change UK lot and Ian Austin, whoâd managed to be such an unrelenting thundercunt in the disloyalty stakes for the past four years, that he stood down voluntarily. He knew heâd not be returned, which is why he spent every last moment banging his lines out.
As I have said before, the general public deal with stories rather than nuance. They donât know the background. They just see Labour MP criticising own party, and it works.
I think we all need to take a breath and at least try to honour @Intinikiâs request for debate over argument.
I have long said that affluence, or lack thereof, was a primary driver in the way people voted in the EU referendum. The working class largely voted Leave. The so called middle class largely voted Remain.
The result really was a bolt from the blue. Few of the polls put Leave in a winning position. On the eve of the referendum, one poll had Remain ten points ahead.
We all know the result, but perhaps something that is less said is that this is something the working class felt theyâd won. The working class that swung the Brexit vote.
Labour effectively said:-
You know that thing you won? You have to win it again. And the prize is not the same.
Howâd you think working class Leave voters felt about that?
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I think back to the conversation with my Daughter just before the vote.
I was shocked at how she described the deep hatred of Corbyn, to the extent "many of their Jewish friends were actively thinking of leaving if Corbyn won.
His baggage killed him.
He is also a dinosaur. His Nationalisation policies fell over if looked at by accountants or people in the industry - the breadth of other suppliers that would need to be added in. Yes maybe have a State 5G network but buy up every internet supplier?
Practicalities and a Dinosaur. 80âs Socialism is dead, buried and even Communist Countries have moved on.
It is time for a younger vision. Maybe not a Millenial, but someone who understands that Baristas & Uber drivers are the new working class, not the Robot Technicians in car factories.
Blair was a disaster but he had that understanding.
Labour need to find someone without baggage and who understands the new world and new generation.
And it would help if they had Jewish rootsâŠ
This isnât fucking Israel, Phil.
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Labour as I predicted has become in essence an even more metropolitan party from its traditional heartlands, its split on the EU, immigration, integration and the question is why?
One of them for me is the disparity in wealth of said voters, its easy to say when youâre educated, have some money in you pocket and live in a nice area the virtues of immigration, try that positivity when its forced upon you and youâre poor, alone and have low skills.
The Labour Party in the heartlands took the poorest for granted and its breaks my heart it really does to see desperately poor places that have been shat on by the South for generations so so desperate (and wrong in my opinion but who I am to say) they vote for a party that ideologically has always wanted to destroy them, how crazy is that?
One thing that has come out of this and it has hit home is that the South is not and will never be the whole of the UK politically and the Labour Party need to learn from this or theyâll die and a centrist party will form, Iâll add I loved Corbynâs policies but people in the South are too right wing and the Midlands and North wanted Brexit done, long term projections for Labour are terrible as well as the best candidate to takeover (Starmer) is an avowed remainer so that could be very very problematic, stay left and die but have dignity and integrity? Or go centrist and sell out for Middle England?
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And quite frankly arguing for the EU and staying in or a another vote was such a vote loser in this even Iâm shocked, how were the parties (apart from the tories) so so wide of the mark?
London bubble I suspect but even after that its still a huge margin of Labour drop offs, the Liberals got done there as well, people genuinely wanted this done and even leavers wanted the vote respected, that I applaud.
Weâre leaving and thats all there is too it.
A sidenote, some large companies are very happy at the large majority, the reason? The erg and the Brexit Party are no of no consequence and a far softer Brexit will be put in place.
80s socialism is dead but what replaced it has created a dependency on food banks such that we have substantiality more food banks than we have McDonaldâs restaurants.
Uncomfortable with nationalising a broadband supplier.
Comfortable with poverty.
Uncomfortable with the criticism of the state of Israel but comfortable with anti âforeignerâ views.
We need a massive lurch to the left so that the resultant move to the centre that would naturally follow is balancing and healthy.
Not aimed at you Phil. Youâre just the source of the reply.
You have people going to foodbanks voting tory as they want Brexit done, what is your answer to that?
Get Brexit Done?
Mcdonalds vouchers?
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Quite seriously, it will at the very least mean that this question, which has plagued British politics for the past forty years, will be settled.
The next election will be fought largely on domestic policy, although barring a huge fuck up, Iâd probably agree with @CB-Saintâs assessment. That is going to be a difficult majority to overturn. Labourâs recent form for massively betraying Leave voters with the Benn Act will still be fresh enough in the memory.
Yes but the point is Labour in the South didnât quite get that message, they thought they could bluster a half arsed measure that the thick Northerners would swallow, they didnât and now weâre fucked with the tories.
You deny or subvert democracy at your peril, elastic words and talk of another attempt at a vote was rebuffed by huge amounts of the voters whoâd never vote for the tories (they had a clear message), the Liberals and many Labour Party MPâs now have nowhere to go, either they accept this that weâre leaving or they have to leave their position, weâre going, Brexit has been solved, its done, the Labour Party and Liberals have paid the price for either sitting on the fence or refusing to accept it and revoke it.
That is the only positive of the election oh and the tories now have 100% control, this means theyâre 100% accountable, no excuses will wash now.
Iâd ask you to consider what happens if getting Brexit done involves more than a few bumps in the road, what will be the reaction of those who wanted to remain?
Will they on their hands and become one nation Tories as so many seem content to have become?
Or will there be a party at the next election that will be fighting on a slogan of âBrejoinâ?
I honestly donât know. But I can see the capacity for human nature to ascribe every wrong turn and terrible policy from this conservative government to our decision to leave the EU.
Iâd agree that in theory this is all behind us, but people often operate outside of theory and they have long memories.
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I like the prospective women in the party bar Thornberry who could be leader but theyâre (Nandy, Philips, Rayner and Long-Bailey) too left still I think for the mainstream possibly Rayner being the best bet, a Starmer/Rayner partnership could work but could be seen as too pro EU.
The cupboard is bare.
You need to accept the remain vote was smashed, smashed so hard people who hate the tories voted for them, remain is out of the picture, you donât matter now as the tories have a huge majority because of the clusterfuck other parties got themselves in over this.
Why is this even on the 2nd time of it being stated so hard to believe?
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