Isn’t it really all about snobbery?
Not wanting your kids to mix with the “wrong kind” of kid?
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I’m not rising to that.
If you moan about single mothers, it would appear so. Nice picture.
I suppose @saint-or-sinner would advocate denial of blood tranfusions for children as the adults don’t consent to it as it “their” stance and belief.
Is the local school that rough?
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I’ll bite…
…I taught a class last year with 20ish kids in it. Two kids with statements (including one with Down Syndrome), 7 (!) other kids with learning needs of some sort or another. of the 20+ eight were Pupil Premium (effectively Free School Meals in old money) who, whether we like it or not, almost always have associated behaviour problems. When I taught them we had 3 Teaching Assistants in the classroom along with me. The same group now has one. As a teacher I cannot possibly give them everything they need.
Admittedly that was a low ability group but it had to be small (20ish!) which meant that all the higher ability groups needed to be significantly larger (with associated side effects)
As a parent, that’s not fucking snobbery - that’s knowing my kids aren’t being catered for in a way that will allow them to exploit their potential.
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To respond to Pap’s grenade… I went to state maintained Grammar school in Kent 81-89… A 1950s technical high that gained Grammar school status in around 1984/5. A selective school that was truely only on merit and had a sixth form that was about 40% recruited from the local secondary moderns.
In my school, in my year, we had everyone from someone whose Mum murdered their abusive dad (think Brookside) to the daughter of the potential first Britain in space… but for the Challenger disaster… kids whose dads were brickies to bankers or no dads around at all… all kids, all looking to get on… yet despite the Grammar designation, leaking 1950s buildings, and 30 in a class in Thatcher’s shit Britain… so Pap, dont making fucking asumptions.
We had the advantage of extra capital investment due to LEA additional funding, yet we still had loads of kids unable to fulfil their potential and kids with behavioural problems as a result of shit at home… often one impacting on the other. That is a FACT of life. If you have schools that do not have the resources to adequately suppport children with challenging backgrounds, that can impact on many who have to share the same environment. It has fuck all to do with snobbery (because it has nothing to do with social class) - there are kids at independent schools who have behavioural issues due to problems at home (just usually not financially related) who are equally emotionally challenged and disruptive… but the schools have the resources to support so it has little impact on the classes.
Its another myth. Sure a huge amount of problems have their roots in financial, but its the emotional issues and resultant behavioural problems that cause most disruption and they are not exclusive to any ‘class’ - but like anything in life, if you have better resources to deal with it, it becomes less disruptive. How my daughter will turn out as a human being will be down to how well we as parents prepare her. The school just provides an environment best for learning, but life lessons come from a broader social sphere and influence. … When I first went to university (the first in my family as by old man joined the army at 17 as a squadie in the Royal Engineers) I was ready to detest the the independently educated… but I soon saw that the arsehole/cunt quotient was the same irrespective of background…that is if you did not let innate prejudices dictate your opinion.
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The one clear thing here is that people agree or don’t agree with private schools
Can we not just agree to disagree?
It’s distracting us from Bazza’s social integration thread FFS!!!
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Oh dear God, at least before I had a grudging respect for Barry that he would stick to his beliefs through thick and thin. Now we see its just a case of him only having those beliefs if it benefits him and his.
I knew he was a Tory all along.
Selfish. Fucking. Whopper.
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Barry reminds me of Billy Elliott’s dad. You know, when he gets the bus over the picket line, and we see him and we’re like SCAB! SCAB! SCAB! and Barry breaks down crying and he’s like Boohoohoo! He’s only fkn 11! He might be a woofter! Give the boy a fkn chance man! Boohoohoo give the boy a fkn chance!!
I’m not having that tho. What a whopper!
Much of this thread has operated as a hypocrisy detection matrix.
I particularly enjoyed @areloa-grandee sending his kids to schools where poor people have been eliminated.
Yep thats right Pap… Poor people are all stupid scum…keep it coming, you are the one looking like a twat coming out with playground shit like this. 
… and talking of ‘hypocrisy detection’ I noticed you did not seem to be too concerned by the hypocrisy shown by MPs in the Commons vote when I pointed that out to earlier in the thread? - Why is it wrong of someone to go against their principles on this issue to do what they think is best for their children, yet perfectly fine for MPs to go against their principles in the commons for fear of a backlash from the electorate? You want it both ways again pap depending on what the issue is… not for the fist time either
… ‘hypocrissy detection…’ you are posting like a bellend on this one… 
Yes I am being a hypocrite but also honest, would you send your child to an underperforming school so your principles hold firm?
I wouldn’t if I could help it, I don’t agree with fee paying schools but the reason people send children to fee paying schools or one of them is the state isn’t good enough in some areas, it’s not about money being thrown at the school either sometimes it’s the areas in which the schools are in.
If we could afford it at the time and we were still in Liverpool it is something we would consider, who wouldn’t, my school is linked to Speke which was the 2nd most deprived ward in the Country, the school is struggling even though it’s new and had millions thrown at it, the social problems are horrendous so again I ask you what would you do? Put your child in the firing line for your principles? Explain that to them in later life, they’ll love you for it.
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Are you allowed to send your kids to posh school if you join the Sotonians Soviet, or do you have to saddle them to a lifetime of flipping burgers because of your principles?
Hmmm, that largely depends if you’re willing to meet in person at the Rockstone for all AGMs…
Blimey. It’s all coming out now.
Just for the record, I never said anything of that sort whatsoever. You just did though.
So you can send you kids to posh school but only if you turn up to eat the Burgers at Rockstone flipped by the kids of those who didnt.
Cool